The headline is sensational, but the article is fair. All gas guzzlers are going to get hit.
6th Mar 2006 6:34 pm
transman
Member Since: 15 Oct 2005
Location: Up Northwest
Posts: 45
The article may be fair, but I dont see why people who live in rural areas should be penalised because of the dissatisfaction shown towards 4 x 4 users in Central London on the school run.
There will be many contributors on this forum who use a 4 x 4 because they have to, not because they want to.
6th Mar 2006 6:41 pm
MVS
Member Since: 18 Jul 2005
Location: People's Republic of Yorkshire
Posts: 419
As you say this does appear fair and unbiased, and to be fair an extra £40 a year on car tax is not exactly punative. Of course this could be the tip of the ice-berg if it goes thru.
Secondly, or more importantly in the ant-anti 4x4 debate it will be interesting to see a list of all the other exec saloons and gas guzzlers it snares in the net for the increase. Then the greenies might stop targeting LR's specifically, and 4x4's particularly as the main polluters.
6th Mar 2006 6:48 pm
croyde
Member Since: 17 Aug 2005
Location: SE England
Posts: 459
My Disco does the job of 3 cars.
People Carrier
Van
Executive Saloon
Would the Greens rather that I run 3 seperate vehicles.
The T*$$£rs
Anyway what about all the tax I pay on the fuel I use.
Then the greenies might stop targeting LR's specifically, and 4x4's particularly as the main polluters.
I doubt that'll happen. LR is something of a victim of its own success. If there's ever an incident involving a Land Rover, the media headlines always say 'Land Rover'. You never hear Mitsubishi Shoguns or Porche Cayennes mentioned in name. Remeber that chap who fell asleep (allegedly) and plummeted onto the London - Edinburgh main line? The words 'Land Rover' appeared in every article (I think it was a 110 from memory). I bet the type of car wouldn't have been mentioned if it had been anything else.
6th Mar 2006 7:34 pm
Robbie
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My 530d BMW will be ok at 221G/KM, must be eco-friendly then!
6th Mar 2006 7:43 pm
Robbie
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Fair point about the number of seats. My D3 was bought because of the number of times two cars were needed. It burns less fuel than two cars, takes up less space and takes less metal to build (probably!).
I've mentioned this on the forum before but there was a great article in Autocar last year about CO2 emissions per seat: Eurostar came top, 747 came bottom, Smart Car (as favoured by vocal urban eco-types) came second bottom. D3 did comparatively well. Of course that does assume that the car is always crammed full, but we'll keep quiet about that...
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6th Mar 2006 8:03 pm
MVS
Member Since: 18 Jul 2005
Location: People's Republic of Yorkshire
Posts: 419
Don't see y it should be kept quiet as Eurostar not always full, 747's are usually though?!
6th Mar 2006 8:08 pm
bluebarchetta
Member Since: 25 Oct 2005
Location: Aylesbury
Posts: 524
TDV6 Manual - Combined CO2 emissions
249 (g/km)
6th Mar 2006 8:11 pm
SN
Member Since: 03 Jan 2006
Location: Romiley
Posts: 13710
Ba****ds - when are people going to learn! Gordon Brown gets enough of my hard earned cash as it is - still, an extra £35 a year is hardly gonna break the bank is it? Less than half a tank of diesel, or 9 pints of lager in this godforsaken hotel I spend half my life in. Like other my D3 performs multiple jobs (err... none of them FOR my actual job but thats another matter) - I use those extra seats, just as I did with the 2 previous 7 seaters I had - AND its more economical than the last petrol beastie.Steve N | 21MY Defender | 08MY Discovery 3 (history) | 06MY Discovery 3 (ancient history)
6th Mar 2006 8:15 pm
SN
Member Since: 03 Jan 2006
Location: Romiley
Posts: 13710
bluebarchetta wrote:
TDV6 Manual - Combined CO2 emissions
249 (g/km)
No need to brag So why is the auto 10% worse than the manual then at 275?Steve N | 21MY Defender | 08MY Discovery 3 (history) | 06MY Discovery 3 (ancient history)
6th Mar 2006 8:24 pm
irf
Member Since: 28 Sep 2005
Location: Herts
Posts: 106
Landrover TDV6 manual urban mpg - 24.6
MINI Cooper S urban mpg 23.9 !
Both figures from manufacturers websites
(nothing against MINIs though - especially yellow or blue ones)
6th Mar 2006 8:35 pm
bluebarchetta
Member Since: 25 Oct 2005
Location: Aylesbury
Posts: 524
No need to brag So why is the auto 10% worse than the manual then at 275?[/quote]
I think it must be the higher gearing on the manual
6th Mar 2006 8:47 pm
MVS
Member Since: 18 Jul 2005
Location: People's Republic of Yorkshire
Posts: 419
Torque converters on autos also tend to hold revs higher and constant for longer in lower gears, where in a manual the revs build as you accelerate.Also auto's are generally slightly slower to change than a human,(obviously with certain high tech exceptions.)
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