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CY

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BN wrote:
CY wrote:
Nickhearne wrote:
How about some one writes a letter pointing out the error of there statements against the D3 then we could all send them a copy?
Any offers?

Hi,

I am certainly not a fan of the anti-4x4 brigade on the best of days, so I have already written them a long and detailed letter with the error of their ways. They did not reply so I sent a second with no reply. After my third letter I have given up. They just wont cooperate. It has been quite a while since I sent my last letter though...

CY

Ignorant idiots such as these rarely reply, because that is how they operate. They are just stirrers.

By the time I had expressed my true feelings about them in my third letter I was a bit concerned about what they may write about me in reply anyway

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17th Aug 2005 5:55 pm

BN

Member Since: 18 Mar 2005
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CY wrote:
BN wrote:
CY wrote:
Nickhearne wrote:
How about some one writes a letter pointing out the error of there statements against the D3 then we could all send them a copy?
Any offers?

Hi,

I am certainly not a fan of the anti-4x4 brigade on the best of days, so I have already written them a long and detailed letter with the error of their ways. They did not reply so I sent a second with no reply. After my third letter I have given up. They just wont cooperate. It has been quite a while since I sent my last letter though...

CY

Ignorant idiots such as these rarely reply, because that is how they operate. They are just stirrers.

By the time I had expressed my true feelings about them in my third letter I was a bit concerned about what they may write about me in reply anyway

Don't worry, what I missed out was that the silly bu***s can't write anyway

17th Aug 2005 5:56 pm

CY

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17th Aug 2005 8:46 pm

simon

Member Since: 11 Jan 2005
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33.6 MPG Today

Driving - well cruising home up the M40 and M42 then A and B roads I managed with out too much trouble this average over 145 miles on my way home.

All the prats rushing at 80 and 90 MPH in their Exec Audi's / BMW/s etc will not have achieved anywhere near this - nor white van man trashing at the same speed neither.

I feel no guilt driving a modern 4x4 thats part of only 3% of the vehicles registered this year ! There are many many more gig engine exec cars running around today doing more harm.

And size is not an argument as the DISCO3 is shorter than many MPV's and estate cars around... again more of these than big 4x4's on the road today.

-s

17th Aug 2005 9:04 pm

10forcash

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Simon, sadly the fascists that run greenpi$$ et al don't care about the facts, it's sooooo much easier to focus on a type of vehicle than argue against 'awkward' facts from real users of vehicles that are more 'green' than the average 3 year old ex-repmobeel
Having experienced it first-hand, more potential damage happens overseas, predominantly in asia than we could ever do, even if the whole of the UK were to drive around in 'SUV's' - whatever they are...
I say potential because to date, no-one has actually proved that global warming is anything other than a natural phenomenon, the current bias of scientific (though unpopular) opinion is that it is a natural event, that has been happenig for eons BTW, did you know we are approximately 200k years overdue for a polar inversion

try blaming that on disco 3's

17th Aug 2005 9:15 pm

CY

Member Since: 16 Aug 2005
Location: Warwickshire
Posts: 4502

simon wrote:
33.6 MPG Today

Driving - well cruising home up the M40 and M42 then A and B roads I managed with out too much trouble this average over 145 miles on my way home.

All the prats rushing at 80 and 90 MPH in their Exec Audi's / BMW/s etc will not have achieved anywhere near this - nor white van man trashing at the same speed neither.

I feel no guilt driving a modern 4x4 thats part of only 3% of the vehicles registered this year ! There are many many more gig engine exec cars running around today doing more harm.

And size is not an argument as the DISCO3 is shorter than many MPV's and estate cars around... again more of these than big 4x4's on the road today.

-s

Good on you S. It seems the anti-4x4s are never going to listen to these good things and simply be single-minded, concentrating on the bad things. The big exec. saloons with their big juicy engines are just as bad and are usually best suited to 4 people whereas the disco can comfortably accommodate 7 adults (if two are happy in the 3rd row)!

I think as long as there are 4x4s there will be Greenpeace, and as long as there is Greenpeace, we'll be fighting against them.

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17th Aug 2005 9:25 pm

10forcash

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CY wrote:
I think as long as there are 4x4s there will be Greenpeace, and as long as there is Greenpeace, we'll be fighting against them.

CY

Naaa, they'll get bored - primates have a short attention span(as they did with the nuclear 'waste') and move on to something else, even B'liar isn't taking any notice of them, although cruella d'ville would probably represent them in court....

17th Aug 2005 9:29 pm

10forcash

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...and just for good measure - digest this !
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2.0 THE EARTH REORGANIZATION PROCESSES

The recorded and documented observations of all geophysical (planetary environmental) processes, and the clearly significant and progressive modifications in all reported solar-terrestrial physical science relationships, combined with the integral effects of the antropohenedus activity in our Solar System's Heliosphere, [33,34], causes us to conclude that a global reorganization and transformation of the Earth's physical and environmental qualities is taking place now; before our very eyes. This current rearrangement constitutes one more in a long line of cosmo-historic events of significant Solar System evolutionary transformations which are caused by the periodic modification, and amplification, of the Heliospheric-Planetary-Sun processes. In the case of our own planet these new events have placed an intense pressure on the geophysical environment; causing new qualities to be observed in the natural processes here on Earth; causes and effects which have already produced hybrid processes throughout the planets of our Solar System; where the combining of effects on natural matter and energy characteristics have been observed and reported.

We shall now discuss global, regional, and local processes.

2.1 The Geomagnetic Field Inversion.

Keeping clearly in mind the known significant role of the magnetic field on human life, and all biological processes, we will outline the general features of this changing state of the Earth's geomagnetic field. We have to remind ourselves of the many spacecraft and satellites that have registered the growth of heliospheric magnetic saturation in recent years [11,18,35]. The natural response of the Earth to this increased saturation level reveals itself in its dipole intensity, its magnet "c" poles localization, and in its electromagnetic field resonance processes[36]. Earth is number one among all of the planets in the Solar System with respect to its specific ability regarding the magnetization of matter [6].

In recent years we have seen a growth of interest by geophysicists and magnetologists, in general, to geomagnetic processes [37-40], and specifically, to the travel of Earth's magnetic poles [41,42]. They are particularly interested in observing the facts surrounding the directed, or vectored, travel of the Antarctic magnetic pole. In the last 100 years this magnetic pole has traveled almost 900 km towards, and into, the Indian ocean. This significant shift by the magnetic poles began in 1885. The most recent data about the state of the Arctic magnetic pole (which is moving towards the Eastern Siberian world magnetic anomaly by way of the Arctic Ocean) reveals that this pole "traveled" more than 120 km during the ten year period 1973 through 1984, and 150 km during the same interval, 1984 through 1994. This estimated data has been confirmed by direct measurement ( L. Newwitt. The Arctic pole coordinates are now 78.3 deg. North and 104.0 deg. West) [42].

We must emphasize that this documented polar shift acceleration (3 km per year average over 10 years), and its travel along the geo-historic magnetic poles inversion corridor (the corridor having been established by the analysis of more than 400 paleoinversion sites) necessarily leads us to the conclusion that the currently observed polar travel acceleration is not just a shift or digression from the norm, but is in fact an inversion of the magnetic poles; in full process.It is now seen that the acceleration of polar travel may grow to a rate of up to 200 km per year. This means that a polar inversion may happen far more rapidly than is currently supposed by those investigators without a familiarity with the overall polar shift problem.

We must also emphasize the significant growth of the recognized world magnetic anomalies (Canadian, East-Siberian, Brazilian, and Antarctic) in the Earth's magnetic reorganization. Their significance is due to the fact that these world anomalies constitute a magnetic source that is almost independent from Earth's main magnetic field. Most of the time, the intensity of these world magnetic anomalies substantially exceeds all of the residual non-dipole component; which is obtained by the subtraction of the dipole component from the total magnetic field of the Earth.[48]. It is the inversion of the magnetic fields process which is causing the various transformations of Earth's geophysical processes and the present state of the polar magnetosphere.

We also have to take into account the factual growth of the polar cusp's angle (i.e. The polar slots in the magnetosphere; North and South), which in the middle 1990's reached 45 degrees (by IZMIRAN data). [Note: The cusp angle was about 6 degrees most of the time. It fluctuates depending upon the situation. During the last five years, however, it has varied between 25 and 46 degrees.] The increasing and immense amounts of matter and energy radiating from the Sun's Solar Wind, and Interplanetary Space, by means previously discussed, has began to rush into these widened slots in the polar regions causing the Earth's crust, the oceans, and the polar ice caps to warm[27].

Our study of geomagnetic field paleoinversions, and their after effects, has lead us to the unambiguous, and straight forth, conclusion that these present processes being observed are following precisely the same scenarios as those of their distant ancestors. And additional signs of the inversion of the magnetic field are becoming more intense in frequency and scale. For example: During the previous 25 million years, the frequency of magnetic inversions was twice in half a million years while the frequency of inversions for the last 1 million years is 8 to 14 inversions [43], or one inversion each 71 to 125 thousand years. What is essential here is that during prior periods of maximum frequency of inversions there has also been a corresponding decrease in the level of oceans world-wide (10 to 150 meters) from contraction caused by the wide development of crustal folding processes. Periods of lessor frequency of geomagnetic field inversions reveals sharp increases of the world ocean level due to the priority of expansion and stretching processes in the crust. [43-44]. Therefore, the level of World's oceans depends on the global characteristic of the contraction and expansion processes in force at the time.

The current geomagnetic inversion frequency growth phase may not lead to an increase in oceanic volume from polar warming, but rather to a decrease in ocean levels. Frequent inversions mean stretching and expansion, rare inversions mean contraction. Planetary processes, as a rule, occur in complex and dynamic ways which require the combining and joining of all forces and fields in order to adequately understand the entire system. In addition to the consideration of hydrospheric redistribution, there are developing events which also indicate a sudden and sharp breaking of the Earth's meteorological machinery.

2.2 Climate Transformations.

Since public attention is so closely focused on the symptoms of major alterations, or breakdowns, in the climatic machinery, and the resulting and sometimes severe biospheric effects, we shall consider these climatic transformations in detail. Thus, while not claiming to characterize the climatic and biospheric transition period completely, we will provide a recent series of brief communications regarding the temperature, hydrological cycle, and the material composition of the Earth's atmosphere.

The temperature regime of any given phase of climatic reorganization is characterized by contrasts, and instabilities. The widely quoted, and believed, "Greenhouse Effect" scenario for total climatic changes is by far the weakest explanation, or link, in accounting for this reorganization.It has already been observed that the growth in the concentration of CO2 has stopped, and that the methane content in the atmosphere has began to decrease [45] while the temperature imbalance, and the common global pressure field dissolution has proceeded to grow.

There were reports of a global temperature maximum in 1994, and the almost uninterrupted existence of an "El-Nino" like hydrological effect. Satellite air surface layer temperature tracking [49,50] allowed the detection of a 0.22 degrees C global temperature variation (within a typical specific time period of about 30 days) that correlated with recorded middle frequency magnetic oscillations. The Earth's temperature regime is becoming more, and more, dependent on external influences. The representative regulating processes, or basis, of these general climatic rearrangements are:

2.2.1. A new ozone layer distribution.

2.2.2. Radiation material (plasma) inflows and discharges through the polar regions, and through the world's magnetic anomaly locations.

2.2.3. Growth of the direct ionospheric effects on the relationship between the Earth's meteorological (weather), magnetic, and temperature fields.

There is a growing probability that we are moving into a rapid temperature instability period similar to the one that took place 10,000 years ago. This not so ancient major instability was revealed by the analysis of ice drilling core samples in Greenland [51]. The analysis of these core samples established:

2.2.4.That annual temperatures increased by 7 degrees centigrade.

2.2.5.That precipitation grew in the range of 3 to 4 times.

2.2.6.That the mass of dust material increased by a factor of 100.

Such high-speed transformations of the global climatic mechanism parameters, and its effects on Earth's physical and biospheric qualities has not yet been rigorously studied by the reigning scientific community. But, researchers are now insisting more, and more, that the Earth's temperature increases are dependent upon, and directly linked to, space-terrestrial interactions [52,53]; be it Earth-Sun, Earth-Solar System, and/or Earth-Interstellar.

At the present time there is no lack of new evidence regarding temperature inversion variations in the hydrosphere [oceans]. In the Eastern Mediterranean there have been recordings of a temperature inversion in depths greater than two kilometers from a ratio of 13.3 to 13.5 degrees centigrade to a new ratio of 13.8 to 13.5; along with a growth in salinity of 0.02% since 1987. The growth of salinity in the Aegean Sea has stopped, and the salt water outflow from the Mediterranean Basin to the Atlantic has diminished. Neither of these processes, or their causes, has been satisfactorily explained. It has already been established that evaporation increases in the equatorial regions causes a water density increase which results in an immediate sinking to a greater depth. Ultimately this would force the Gulfstream to reverse its flow. A probability of this event happening is confirmed by other signs as well as multiparameter numeric models [53]. Therefore the most highly probable scenario for the European Continent is a sharp and sudden cooling. Elsewhere, the Siberian region has been experiencing a stable temperature increase [58] along with reports from the Novosibirsk Klyuchi Observatory of a constant growth of up to 30 nanoteslas per year of the vertical component of the magnetic field. This growth rate increases significantly as the Eastern Siberian magnetic anomaly is approached.

Update Note 1/8/98: The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration reported today, 1/8/98, that 1997 was the warmest year on record since records began in 1880, and that nine of the warmest years since that time have occured in the last eleven years.

2.3 Vertical and Horizontal Ozone Content Redistribution.

Vertical and horizontal ozone content redistribution is the main indicator, and active agent, of general climatic transformations on Earth. And, evidence exists that ozone concentrations also have a strong influence upon Earth's biospheric processes. Widespread models for "ozone holes" being in the stratosphere [7 to 10 miles above Earth] (Antarctic and Siberian) are receiving serious corrective modifications from reports of vertical ozone redistribution, and its growth in the troposphere [below 7 miles]. It is now clear that the decrease in our atmosphere's total ozone content is caused by technogeneous [industrial, human designed, pollution], and that the total ozone content in general has serious effects upon the energy distribution processes within Earth's gas-plasma [atmospheric] envelopes [54].

Stratospheric, tropospheric, and surface layer ozone's are now being studied [55,56]. Photodissociation [the process by which a chemical combination breaks up into simpler constituents] of ozone, controls the oxidizing activities within the troposphere. This has created a special atmospheric, physio-chemical, circumstance by which the usual tropospheric concentrations, and lifetimes, of carbon monoxide, methane, and other hydrocarbon gases are modified and changed. So, with the established fact that a statistically significant rise in the ozone concentrations has taken place in the tropospheric layers between 5 and 7 miles, and with the addition, and full knowledge, of ozone's oxidizing properties, we must conclude that a basic and fundamental alteration of the gas composition and physical state of Earth's atmosphere has already begun.

There are continuing reports of diminishing regional stratosphere ozone concentrations [25 to 49% or more above Siberia (57)], and of global decreases of ozone content in altitudes of 20-26 miles; with the maximal decrease of 7% being at 24 miles [55]. At the same time, there is no direct evidence of a growth of UV radiation at the ground surface [58]. There are, however, a growing number of "ozone alerts" in large European cities. For example, in 1994 there were 1800 "ozone alerts" in Paris. In addition, remarkably high concentrations of surface layer ozone were registered in the Siberian Region. There were ozone concentration splashes in Novosibirsk that exceeded 50 times the normal level. We must remember that ozone smell is noticeable in concentrations of 100 mkg/m3; i.e. at 2 to 10 times the normal level.

The most serious concern of aeronomists comes from the detection of H02 that is being produced at an altitude of 11 miles by a completely unknown source or mechanism. This source of HO2 was discovered as a result of the investigation of OH/HO2 ratios in the interval between 4.35 and 21.70 miles in the upper troposphere and stratosphere. This significant growth of HO2, over the course of time, will create a dependence on this substance for the ozone transfer and redistribution process in the lower stratosphere[56].

The submission of the ozone's dynamic regime and space distribution to the above unknown source of HO2, signifies a transition of Earth's atmosphere to a new physico-chemical process. This is very important because non-uniformity's in the Earth's ozone concentrations can, and will, cause an abrupt growth in temperature gradients, which in turn do lead to the increase of air mass movement velocities, and to irregularities of moisture circulation patterns[46,59]. Temperature gradient changes, and alterations, over the entire planet would create new thermodynamic conditions for entire regions; especially when the hydrospheres [oceans] begin to participate in the new thermal non-equilibrium. The study [53] supports this conclusion, and the consideration of a highly possible abrupt cooling of the European and North American Continents. The probability of such a scenario increases when you take into account the ten year idleness of the North Atlantic hydrothermal pump. With this in mind, the creation of a global, ecology-oriented, climate map which might reveal these global catastrophes becomes critically important.

17th Aug 2005 9:34 pm

10forcash

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Hope you kept up with that, so , as we all (now) know, hydrogen dioxide production is the cause of ozone depletion..... anybody know what produces it... nope, me neither

certainly not Disco 3's though....

i'll be asking questions later so make sure you all swot up

17th Aug 2005 9:41 pm

simon

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You Know... I am not even going to attempt to read that... can you give us the bullet point highlights !

-s

17th Aug 2005 9:41 pm

10forcash

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simon wrote:
You Know... I am not even going to attempt to read that... can you give us the bullet point highlights !

-s

Yer, were f

d and its not our fault

17th Aug 2005 9:45 pm

BN

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10forcash wrote:
simon wrote:
You Know... I am not even going to attempt to read that... can you give us the bullet point highlights !

-s

Yer, were f d and its not our fault

Damm and I thought it was the cows f*****g that caused it.

17th Aug 2005 9:49 pm

10forcash

Member Since: 09 Jun 2005
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BN wrote:
10forcash wrote:
simon wrote:
You Know... I am not even going to attempt to read that... can you give us the bullet point highlights !

-s

Yer, were f d and its not our fault

Damm and I thought it was the cows f*****g that caused it.

if I was being cruel, i'd say it was her f

g but i'm not, so it wasn't

BN, (and anyone else) I know you don't have long on this mortal coil, but if you can find the time read it, it will enlighten you, shame greenpi$$ can't do the same....

17th Aug 2005 9:52 pm

CY

Member Since: 16 Aug 2005
Location: Warwickshire
Posts: 4502

10forcash wrote:
BN wrote:
10forcash wrote:
simon wrote:
You Know... I am not even going to attempt to read that... can you give us the bullet point highlights !

-s

Yer, were f d and its not our fault

Damm and I thought it was the cows f*****g that caused it.

if I was being cruel, i'd say it was her f g but i'm not, so it wasn't
BN, (and anyone else) I know you don't have long on this mortal coil, but if you can find the time read it, it will enlighten you, shame greenpi$$ can't do the same....

If you present all that to the Greens, I can only guess that they'll get on at you for using to much paper and destroying the trees... 2007 Porsche Boxster (987) 2.7
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17th Aug 2005 10:18 pm

10forcash

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CY wrote:
10forcash wrote:
BN wrote:
10forcash wrote:
simon wrote:
You Know... I am not even going to attempt to read that... can you give us the bullet point highlights !

-s

Yer, were f d and its not our fault

Damm and I thought it was the cows f*****g that caused it.

if I was being cruel, i'd say it was her f g but i'm not, so it wasn't
BN, (and anyone else) I know you don't have long on this mortal coil, but if you can find the time read it, it will enlighten you, shame greenpi$$ can't do the same....

If you present all that to the Greens, I can only guess that they'll get on at you for using to much paper and destroying the trees...

HA! they shouldn't print their emails then

17th Aug 2005 10:22 pm