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carroll493d
 


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Alps tyre choice

Finally got round to booking a chalet in the Alps for a boarding holiday in February and readout looking forward to driving down there.
Question though. I have 4 very new wrangler all weather's on each corner. I'm but confused though. All the sites and reviews I've read say they are 'All weather' and can be used in the snow.
But can they be used like winter tyres?
Im not going to buy new corners but would like to know as it seems a bit middle of the road.
  
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Do they have snowflakes on sidewalls?
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Goodyear seem to class it as a summer tyre.

https://www.goodyear.eu/en_gb/consumer/tir...LHPAW.html
  
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Mine are saying M&S on the sidewall. Apparently this Stands for Matsch & Schnee.

But no snowflake.

I am Not expecting the same traction on snow like on snow tyres.
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They don't have snow flakes or mountains on them but this is what's causing the confusion.
This is a copy and paste from Goodyear website detailing the wrangler
"Wrangler tires are designed to help offer confident traction in tough conditions such as deep mud or snow."
And what is 'All weather'?
To me that's winter conditions as well as summer
  
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This link should give you all the information you require:

https://driveeurope.co.uk/2013/11/06/winter-tyre-rules-in-europe/

Sum areas it is mandatory to use the appropriately marked tyres for winter driving.. I only use tyres with the 3PMSF symbol not only form a legal point of view but also the insurance aspect.

Hope this helps
  
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Thanks for the link. From reading that you would assume that they are fine to use then as they are all weather and marked M & S.
Just wish this was a little clearer on their site. Outs like they are skirting around the issue
  
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Re: Alps tyre choice

carroll493d wrote:
Finally got round to booking a chalet in the Alps for a boarding holiday in February and readout looking forward to driving down there.
Question though. I have 4 very new wrangler all weather's on each corner. I'm but confused though. All the sites and reviews I've read say they are 'All weather' and can be used in the snow.
But can they be used like winter tyres?
Im not going to buy new corners but would like to know as it seems a bit middle of the road.


My understanding is the normal everyday M&S tyres are pretty good all round conditions all of the year, Winter tyres have a different compound that is more efficient in lower temperatures, tyres with a more open tread pattern or “chunky” are better in clearing out snow, mud etc giving better contact, the drawback is they are not so good when the temperatures increase and normally need swapped for normal or M&S road tyres around the time BST starts or ends.

If I were planning a trip similar to you I would be looking at a really good set of full winter tyres and a spare. Insurance companies may need to be informed the tyres are changed also just to keep things right. Good idea to sort out your screenwash at the same time. Some keep snow chains in the boot for emergencies but as good as they are they need to come off again if driving on clear roads.
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If you venture onto snow covered "High Resort" mountain roads the police will/may check for winter tyres or chains and M+S will not necessarily be sufficient.

What's required in different European countries

Andorra

Winter tyres – RECOMMENDED*

*Note – from 1 November to 15 April and if roads are covered in snow, slush or ice outside these dates. Tyres must have a minimum tread depth of 4mm.

Snow chains – REQUIRED (should be carried and used as dictated by local signs or road conditions. Reduced speed limits may apply).

Austria
Winter tyres – MANDATORY*

*Note: Between 1 November and 15 April and at times outside these dates when there is snow, slush or ice on the roads. Minimum tread depth is 4mm.

Snow chains – REQUIRED (should be carried and used as dictated by local signs or road conditions. Reduced speed limits may apply).

France
Winter tyres – NOT REQUIRED

Snow chains – REQUIRED, must be fitted to vehicles using snow-covered roads. (Should be carried and used as dictated by local signs or road conditions. Reduced speed limits may apply).

Germany
Winter tyres – COMPULSORY

Germany introduced regulations in 2010 requiring all passenger cars and motorbikes to be fitted with winter tyres or all season tyres on all axles in wintry conditions.

Snow chains – REQUIRED (should be carried and used as dictated by local signs or road conditions. Reduced speed limits may apply).

Italy
Winter tyres – RECOMMENDED* - Between October and 15 April or, at other times if conditions dictate

Snow chains – REQUIRED* - Between October and 15 April or, at other times if conditions dictate

*Note: Some parts of Italy can introduce their own legislation making the use of winter tyres and snow chains compulsory.

Switzerland
Winter tyres – RECOMMENDED but not compulsory

*Note: However vehicles not equipped to travel through snow and ice and which impede traffic flow are liable to a fine.

Snow chains - REQUIRED (should be carried and used as dictated by local signs or road conditions. Reduced speed limits may apply).

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/travel/driving-abroad/winter/
 
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I thought the German compulsory winter tyres rules classed M&S tyres as winters? Question They backed off from going the whole way.
 

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The link on ardberg reply days that most including the Germans accept M&S.
Del I'll be taking chains as I know you need them (regardless of wether they are needed or not) in France
  
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DSL wrote:
I thought the German compulsory winter tyres rules classed M&S tyres as winters? Question They backed off from going the whole way.


Germany introduced regulations in 2010 requiring all passenger cars and motorbikes to be fitted with winter tyres or all season tyres on all axles in wintry conditions..... Whistle
 
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The reason I mentioned it is I have "all season" tyres on my little car (Vred Quadtrac 3s) and they are mountain/snow flake marked. Whistle
 

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Fairly sure M+S is not accepted as "All Season". It's a pretty arbitrary marking.
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