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Ouch. Is that yours DM?26 and on the 4th LR..
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19th Jan 2014 12:29 am
Allan_T
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How long had the filter been like that?GAP IID Pro Multi Vehicle Defender L316 2007-2015 - Discovery 3 - Discovery 4 - Discovery Sport L550 - Freelander 2 - Range Rover Evoque L538 - Range Rover L322 - Range Rover L405 - Range Rover Sport L320 - Range Rover Sport L494 Electrical Fault Diagnostics
19th Jan 2014 12:30 am
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That's what scares the day lights out of me doing an oil change!
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A) I assume that's the new MMP body off workshop 8)
B) Who fitted the filter?
C) I bet they wish they knew of your services before now
D) Will you be doing the owners service from mow on Altox GSM FBH controller thread
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19th Jan 2014 12:33 am
Allan_T
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Looks like the filter was misaligned when the cover was fitted. I always engage the filter tab, check its secure and then fit the cover.GAP IID Pro Multi Vehicle Defender L316 2007-2015 - Discovery 3 - Discovery 4 - Discovery Sport L550 - Freelander 2 - Range Rover Evoque L538 - Range Rover L322 - Range Rover L405 - Range Rover Sport L320 - Range Rover Sport L494 Electrical Fault Diagnostics
19th Jan 2014 12:38 am
Disco_Mikey
Member Since: 29 May 2007
Location: Dundee, Scotland
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Not mine. Though that was the reason the engine failed in the car, before I bought it.
Had been fitted for approx 4-5k miles, engine gave up while towing. Pistons have overheated, and started melting...
Beanie.
A) Thats one of the ramps I have been offered the use of
B) Not for me to say
C) Yes, but he lives 150 miles away, and at the time, I was not able to stamp the book.
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19th Jan 2014 1:01 am
Farmer Chalk
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Thanks Mikey for taking the time to show that..... It makes you wonder how many of the turned bearing failures are all caused by that issue.... It is quite reassuring if we believe this is the major cause....
Thoughts now that you've done a few?
19th Jan 2014 8:28 am
NickJ
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For those with very limited engine knowledge (eg me) could you explain what happens because the oil filters been incorrectly fitted? I'm interested
19th Jan 2014 8:39 am
robbo770
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Oil from the oil pump is directed to flow through the filter and then on to the oil passages in the engine maintaining the correct oil pressure to ensure bearings and tappers operate correctly, if the said fliter is not engauged correctly on the sealing O rings of the lower tab shown, not only does the oil not reach the engine parts at the correct pressure ( oil pump is able to mask this from bringing on the oil light warning) the filter as shown will get crushed when the top cover is fitted cause further distortion amplifying the oil flow issues.
So as our Guru mechanic has clearly shown, double check before lobbing on the top!!!
Explains why Mikey been quiet recently, covered in road dirt and oily bit
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Mikey, was this one a genuine OEM filter? Have you seen any pattern in what makes of filters have been used, or is this purely down to human-error?
Again, thanks for taking the time to post pics
This is human error the filter was not fitter correctly, the little tab shown pointing up in the last picture should have been located in the feed hole on the block, it was not hence the whole filter has been squashed.
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19th Jan 2014 9:53 am
Disco_Mikey
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Farmer Chalk wrote:
Thanks Mikey for taking the time to show that..... It makes you wonder how many of the turned bearing failures are all caused by that issue.... It is quite reassuring if we believe this is the major cause....
Thoughts now that you've done a few?
The following is extracts from Steve/Boringoldgit, on another engine failure thread...
Boringoldgit wrote:
The paper element filter does nothing, no valve built in, even the poorest quality filter should just sit there and do nothing perhaps other than not filter very well, unless it is made of cardboard!
Boringoldgit wrote:
Take the following as assistance and not the basis for professional advice -
I have spoken with technical managers at both ******** and ****** this morning.
Both very helpful and both saying much the same thing - The dealer in blaming a filter as a get out statement, perhaps he is being a little quick to judge, that is if the product that is fitted meets the OE standard then whatever make it is, is suitable for the vehicle - European block exemption laws say so.
They haven't seen the filter so they can't state that this is the case 100% but are both of the opinion that whatever the brand if it is the correct filter (right end caps and right paper quality) then it will do the job, an exception would be if the filter media is not to specification then it MAY restrict oil flow.
In this engine they tell me that all of the oil pressure is controlled in the filter housing and not in the filter, the locating spigot is just that, an exception would be where this is damaged on fitting and restricts the oil flow. A failure to achieve constant pressure would have effect on various engine components.
The priority is on getting the car up and running again. When/If I have some spare time, I will strip it down, and inspect bearings etc.
Most of the contents of the sump are various parts of pistons.
On another note, ALL of the engines I have replaced, bar one, have had a squashed oil filter. Definately something to be said about that...My D3 Build Thread
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