I went along and added my purchase to yours - "hey my friend just had two and got £xx discount. How much if I added a third to the deal.
£60 cheers mate
I know they are dangerous. Guess what I let my daughter ride a horse and that is 20x more dangerous - Same Stats DG"To finish first, one first has to finish ...."
It's wrong to say that bikes are dangerous. People are dangerous - period.
It is unfortunate that, of the people who ride bikes, a greater proportion of them tend to do more dangerous things than car drivers.
The worst thing about bikes is that you DO forget how to ride them. I took my bike out this morning for the first time in a long time. Despite having covered 125k miles on this model, I rode like a complete t t!
This doesn't generally happen to car drivers who can jump into a vehicle after a three month absence and still drive relatively normally. The older I get, the more I realise that people confuse wrinkles for wisdom
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20th Sep 2009 10:05 pm
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Just another instrument of death 90 ....afterall you have to go one way or another
John is right of course Only yesterday afternoon I was travelling on the dual carriageway (40 limit) from Walton when a biker came past at around 90 ....in my mirror I could see another bike fast approaching and he overtook me at well over 100 ....trouble is at the end of the straight there is a lane out on the sharp right hander over the River Mole bridge....the second biker had "Police" on his back and was riding an unmarked black bike. He almost failed to take the bend and how he held on as he clipped the cones god only knows ....No doubt he eventually caught up to the other biker and told him he was driving like a prat 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
20th Sep 2009 10:33 pm
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harrythespider wrote:
Trouble is 90 BHP, IF there was a plod watching, how confident do you feel that the car driver would be repremanded over his thoughtless and potentially deadly manouvre rather than you for the evil kneivel impression.
An old friend, a bike instructor with a pointed head, had this to say about riding a bike "Remember you might think you are invincible in your leathers, boots and helmets, but if you are actually invisible, and if you forget that your wife will discover you are not immortal". Drivers with more wheels should think about this, and as the old saying goes "Think Bike".Rob Smith
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21st Sep 2009 7:28 am
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The result of Car meets bike can be more than painful, as my cousin found out earlier this year in Oxfordshire.
Stoke mandavial say he may get feeling and use of legs but we are looking at maybe 2yrs (a lot of maybe's)
Experience is a difficult teacher, because she gives the test first and then the lesson afterwards!!!!
21st Sep 2009 10:26 am
UNG
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robsmith wrote:
Drivers with more wheels should think about this, and as the old saying goes "Think Bike".
May be bikers should think "Speed Limits" and "Safety First"
The "Think Bike" signs that litter the highway annoy me as it seems to put the responsibility for every bike accident with other road users. Just recently I witnessed a bike pulling wheelies through a busy village unfortuately there are no signs "Think Pedestrian" but signage doesn't apply to some bikers rant over"Never keep up with the Joneses. Drag'em down to your level. It's cheaper".
21st Sep 2009 11:49 am
SJR
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I was on the M40 last night heading away from London, when 3 complete twots bikers came past at well over 90mph, all three were pulling wheelies and continued to do so until they were out of sight.
If that is there attitude, i hope they get to find out how good their insurance cover really is when they need years of rehab I believe that every human has a finite number of heart-beats. I don't intend to waste any of mine running around doing exercises.
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21st Sep 2009 11:53 am
TazDaz
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Very few things disturb me as a car driver but ...
I'm an ex-biker of many years I find riding standards today appalling
My journey to work involves two dual carriageways (3 lane) one @ 50mph one @ 40mph
Most of the traffic travels at or a bit over the speed limit EXCEPT all the bikers who must think they are exempt from speed limits (except when there's a safety camera)
The bikers travelling into and out of town do atleast 30mph more than anyone else on the road and have this terrible habit of "filtering" between lanes and undertaking all over the place.
No signals either and should you dare to impede their maniacal progress you get abused verbally or 'hand signalled' or they resort to the "lets rev the nuts off my engine" to show they are there.
When I do see an 'accident' involving bikes on these roads I have NO doubt as to who's fault it probably was.
Think Bike? yeah I think bike and think they are (in majority) idiots
21st Sep 2009 1:14 pm
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Taz DAZ, its opions like yours (but hopefully not your actions onthe road) that will continue to A) puts lives at risk from all parties b) will continue to drive a wedge between the different types of road users.
Lets get this clear, YES there are a MINORITY of stupid bikers on the road and I share yours and other road users frustration with their actions. However in regards to filtering, done sensibly is the absolute bonus, why else would someone want to ride to and from work in all kinds of weather, and to date it has been challanged legally and has been proven legal to do so.
I utilse one of my bikes for work most days, the view you get from a bike on the standard of driving absolutly shocks me. From people on phones, doing make up, reading maps, playing video games, reading paperwork, messing with sat nav or the radio. You can actually see car drivers 'register' that you are there and filtering while they are doing a max of 5mph and then purposfully pull into you way, so you wonder why a biker gets annoyed ??
the thing to remember, is that we have massivly overpopulated roads at rush hours, so all car driver should be pleased to see a biker filtering (granted not at a stupid speed), as its one less car in the traffic jam in front of them. So I ask you keep your eye's out for us bikers, Do not treat all bikers as the idiots you see now and again (probably a sunday), as for every one idiot you see on a bike, I could match you with double I see driving a car (even taking into ratio's).
Make space to for a bike to filter, as the more people see this they might get out of the car and use a bike (therefore giving you more room on the road)
SO over all I see your comments are quite norrow minded, however they are your thoughts And I do agree that there are idiots out there but they are the minority, but I would hazzard a guess a % on this site has done over 30mph over the speed limit, but the difference on a bike is that the time it takes to do the 30mph more can take a 1 or two seconds, and to be honest on the bike I do not spend much time checking my speedo, I'm more focused on the road aaround me looking out for people who have such a loathing to bikes they make a point of putting my life in danger.
As an ex biker I thought you would have a more ballanced view and understand this ??
but ho hum each to their ownStill miss my D3
21st Sep 2009 2:25 pm
SJR
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If were trading opinions.....
IMHO that was a bit of an extreme response to an individual, to what was a pretty balanced/informed post I believe that every human has a finite number of heart-beats. I don't intend to waste any of mine running around doing exercises.
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21st Sep 2009 2:30 pm
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90BHP wrote:
DSL wrote:
Now 2 x Vango G4 down sleeping bags!!!
Best bit about that Story is . . .
I went along and added my purchase to yours - "hey my friend just had two and got £xx discount. How much if I added a third to the deal.
£60 cheers mate
I felt guilty about haggling a discount as all proceeds were going to Red Cross (didn't know it at the time). Now you'll never be able to sleep soundly in the bag!!!!
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21st Sep 2009 2:42 pm
wilsonmg
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SJR every one is entitled to an opinion, TAZ 'flashed' me up as he stipulated 'MAJORITY' thats all, I wont lose sleep over it and I'm sure he wont. There are faults/idiots on four wheels and two, but to class it as the majority on two wheels is a bit rich and does nobody any good. I think the advice from Rob Smith's mate is spot on and the more people that are aware there are more bikes on the road nowadays the better.Still miss my D3
21st Sep 2009 2:43 pm
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Well it's not the majority but it's not a million miles from half way
I found quite a valuable snapshot document illustrating some false perceptions concerning road user behaviour .....from both a drivers and riders perspective.
I think it's fair to say that just over half of all motorcyle accidents are caused by car driver inattention....and if you read the info then you will see that although poor driving like use of mobiles and doing your hair plays a part ...in the main the driver just wasn't aware of the motorcycles presence.21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
Blimey - didn't expect to start a bikers v non-bikers post.
DSL - Red Cross best stick a few quid in the next help for heros bucket
Some good stuff on here, I have had my fair share of "SMIDSY" - (Sorry mate I didn't see you) looks from motorsits at junctions and the like, but as already mentioned the wilful swerving to block your progress is a real move
Anyway, DG you've convinced me I'm selling the ZX6
and buying a Sprint ST "To finish first, one first has to finish ...."
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21st Sep 2009 7:21 pm
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....afterall you have to go one way or another 
Only yesterday afternoon I was travelling on the dual carriageway (40 limit) from Walton when a biker came past at around 90 ....in my mirror I could see another bike fast approaching and he overtook me at well over 100 ....trouble is at the end of the straight there is a lane out on the sharp right hander over the River Mole bridge....the second biker had "Police" on his back and was riding an unmarked black bike. He almost failed to take the bend and how he held on as he clipped the cones god only knows 
rant over
