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Cam belt not gone - it's the sensor !
D3 wouldn't start this morning so was recovered to local garage.
Thought it'd be glow plugs or Injection pressure.
However, received a call to say it's shown up as a Camshaft fault
So my prognosis is that the cam belt has gone !!!
D3 is 5.5 years old, so out of LR warranty.
Got 146k on clock from new [that I racked up].
Been LR dealer serviced throughout.
Had the belts change at the 105k as required [June 2008].
So if the cam belt has gone, where do I stand.
1] did the LR dealer actually fit one, even though booked in and charged for this service?
2] Surely as LR recommend belt changes at 105k, this would point to a failure on the part/workmanship from 105k belt service.
3] if LR state it's tough luck, why then do they stipulate a belt only needs changing only every 105k miles?
Would appreciate any thoughts on this before I escalate tomorrow.
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6th Jul 2010 9:03 pm
NJF
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Perhaps wait for the report and seek a goodwill contribution?
Sorry to hear about the problem. Maybe if you're lucky it failed before it damaged the engine hardware?
6th Jul 2010 9:07 pm
heapster
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Are you seriously expecting a dealer to contibute to fix a breakage on a 5 year old 146k car? I can only wish you the best of luck.
6th Jul 2010 9:14 pm
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If they have come to conclusion by just plugging in diagnostic then could be a sensor.
If belt has gone then incompetence or faulty parts are to blame and dealer needs a kick up the and a deep pocket for you to reach into.
Hope it doesnt sting you.
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6th Jul 2010 9:15 pm
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I agree Ron, it would be hard to swallow if the failure was the result of poor workmanship/parts or if th belt wasn't changed at all. Sit tight pal and wait for the engineers report.Club Exped trailer
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6th Jul 2010 9:22 pm
ronp
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heapster wrote:
Are you seriously expecting a dealer to contibute to fix a breakage on a 5 year old 146k car? I can only wish you the best of luck.
with respect, I reckon your missing the point heapster!!
The fact is I paid for and had conducted, a service which is LR recommended every 105k miles.
This has only lasted 41k miles - less than half the recommendation.
Therefore a failure should just not occur!
It's nothing to do with age or mileage IMO.I was a normal heterosexual chap, but in these new woke awakenings I now identify as a Wardrobe.
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6th Jul 2010 9:22 pm
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heapster wrote:
Are you seriously expecting a dealer to contibute to fix a breakage on a 5 year old 146k car? I can only wish you the best of luck.
Yes why not. LR also have a scheme in place where they pay 30% or 50% etc towards repairs outside warranty and these miles/age of D3.
In fact LR recently paid over £200 for a part that failed on my car outside warranty same age but granted only 103k miles. SOLD - 23my Range Rover Sport D300 Dynamic SE
6th Jul 2010 9:24 pm
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Well, stuff happens, but I agree with ronp that since he respected the service intervals at LR dealers, they should take a very sympathetic approach, regardless of warranty expiry.
6th Jul 2010 9:31 pm
heapster
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happy to be proved wrong (in case this happens to me!). if you can prove shoddy work fitting the belt then you may be on to something and best of luck getting it sorted.
6th Jul 2010 9:36 pm
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Ouch!! Good luck with LR, hopefully they'll realise a cambelt failure at that mileage after it was changed as specified needs to be sorted & investigated.
6th Jul 2010 9:38 pm
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Surely an item with a stated change interval of 105,000 miles has an inherent warranty for the same period?Dr. Ian Malcolm:
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6th Jul 2010 10:20 pm
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Cam shaft or crank shaft? Crankshafts have a problem on early D3s which is why they put a heavier one in later models.“There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely gamesâ€
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6th Jul 2010 10:37 pm
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Damn Ron, hard one to swallow. Especially for a D3 loving and caring person like yourself.
Doesn't have to be the belt though, could be a pulley or the tensionerl?
Wouldn't it be a very obvious noise if the cambelt or camshaft would break? And you weren't even driving.
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6th Jul 2010 10:42 pm
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To be honest this doesn't sound like a belt failure. Did the car start up at all? Cam belts normally fail when under strain so starting the engine doesn't sound right to me. Also if the AA etc. came out to recover it then they would be able to tell you if it was a cambelt failure.
Regarding warranty on a part, the cambelt can fail but it doesn't mean that the belt is at fault. I had a car where the cambelt failed but it failed because of an engine problem and the cambelt happend to be the weakest link.
I'd be very suprised to find this is a cambelt failure. I can't imagine you drove it home last night and then got in it this morning and it wouldn't start and that this was caused by a cambelt failure.
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6th Jul 2010 10:50 pm
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Yep agree, I might be jumping to conclussions but as said, just checking out response beforehand.
Yep all drove ok yesterday, but absolutely nothing when turned over this morning.
I had noticed recently though that recently that it was taking a little longer to catch when starting, hence thinking it was glow plugs or pressure problems [also as diagnosed by recovery driver].
No strange noises on engine turn over though
btw, I did have an issue in a previous car when I drove into a fuel station very low on fuel.
After I filled up the car wouldn't start.
I initially thought to myself that I timed my fill up just too neatly.
But after recovery it was diagnosed that it was the cam belt that had gone.I was a normal heterosexual chap, but in these new woke awakenings I now identify as a Wardrobe.
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