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Neil5489
 


Member Since: 25 Sep 2020
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Car transporting


Hi caps I’ve recently joined and purchased a 2014 disco 4 hrs in causeway grey. I absolutely love it! I’m looking into doing some part time vehicle transporting with a 3 axle Brian James t6. I’m going to have a digital tachograph fitted to make sure I’m within the law but I’m unsure about the whole o licence situation. I know the disco 4 doesn’t fall under the dual purpose regs as it’s too heavy but I was under the impression that “cars” and that’s what the disco is (vehicle type m1 contstucted primarily for the carriage of passengers) were exempt as they are not designed to be a commercial/load carrying vehicle (disco commercial not included)
Anyone got any experience in this field??
  
Post #21838151st Nov 2020 10:43 am
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gje
 


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I think 'passenger cars' are exempt...
see:
https://www.gov.uk/being-a-goods-vehicle-operator
  
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Trailered Movements
 


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If you're moving goods for 'Hire or Reward', you need an Operators Licence, no ifs or buts, end of.

Also despite what some may say, Motor Traders insurance does not cover 'Hire or Reward' either, and more importantly, the cover for your Disco has to state that it covers for 'Hire or Reward'.

Just because you have a policy that says covered for 'Goods in Transit', if the Discovery isn't covered for 'Hire or Reward', the former becomes irrelevant in the event damage or loss was as a result of an accident involving the Discovery.

The other problem is, once you are 100% legal and paying for the privilege, you're up against those who aren't and who will do the job for little more than fuel costs.

Dave
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Dimcandle
 


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O Licensed I'm afraid.
If you are carrying somebody else's vehicles you will need a Standard O licence rather than a Restricted, that means you need to be (or have) a qualified transport manager.

You are over the weight limits for dual purpose, if you are carrying somebody elses property and being paid for it you are running a freight operation.

In your case you could pay for a third party TM but it doesn't come cheap. Doing the exams yourself is not as easy as you migt think
  
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robpenrose
 


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What if you’re transporting your own equipment, or equipment you have rented for your business?

In terms of insurance: if the item your transporting has its own insurance which covers transit, do you need additional insurance for the tow vehicle?
 

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Post #21838281st Nov 2020 11:36 am
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Dimcandle
 


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gje wrote:
I think 'passenger cars' are exempt...
see:
https://www.gov.uk/being-a-goods-vehicle-operator


Discovery exceeds the qualifying weight for the car excemption.
To qualify as a passenger car it needs to be 2040kg or less in this context.
  
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Dimcandle
 


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robpenrose wrote:
What if you’re transporting your own equipment, or equipment you have rented for your business?

In terms of insurance: if the item your transporting has its own insurance which covers transit, do you need additional insurance for the tow vehicle?


That would not be for hire or reward, therefor outside of the scope of operator licensing.
Insurance is down to your policy and provider

For what its worth, I'm a qualified transport manager for a company with three operators licences all of which are my responsibility Very Happy
  
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robpenrose
 


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Thanks, that’s great to know. Guess you would still need a tacho though if using a disco and trailer combo?
 

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Yes, over 3.5t total weight and for business use, you need a tacho.

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Dimcandle
 


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Tacho is a bit more complex, there are excemptions most of which are quite practical

If you are operating MAM (maximum authorised mass) over 3500kg commercially its tacho regs, unless you operate less than 100km radius of base and are carrying materials and equipment for your job.
If you are carrying them for somebody else it is essentially hire or reward

The rules can be quite complex and there are a variety of excemptions but it is a bit of a minefield.

If you get in to tacho then you also get in to CPC's and it starts to get even more complex
  
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The other thing to consider is, when did you pass your driving test, there are differences between pre 1st January 1997, and post 1997.

The only good piece of news is that the DCPC doesn't apply to the BE category.

Dave
 2011 Discovery 4 Commercial SDV6 (Gone)
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1980 OBLIC 4.0ltr Range Rover (went a long time ago) 
 
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