PaulP
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milbo wrote:I undid the filler first and noticed a lot of oil coming out and thought I must be doing something wrong (I was on a level surface) as I wouldnt be able to fill it back with the same amount as it would be pouring out.
Hi milbo,
I performed the famous gearbox flush yesterday and had a strange experience that was similar to yours...
I drained the old oil (at a guess around 3-4 litres came out) but could only get 2 litres back in before it started to dribble out of the fill hole.
I then ran the engine for a few minutes, passing through P-R-N-D a few times and then undid the filler plug to put some more in...
...my surprise was that oil started dribbling out....I then ran it a bit more and noticed that even more came out...
The auto box is now doing some funny things - mainly when it shifts from 1st to 2nd - it takes around 2 seconds to perform the shift and the revs go up whilst changing.....
I have a feeling that it doesn't have enough oil in it, but don't know how I can fill it if every time I undo the filler plug more oil comes out....
I have around 10 litres left so am planning on draining yet again this evening, but I'd like to know what I'm doing wrong.
If anyone has any tips, I'd be very grateful. 
Cheers,
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 19th Apr 2010 10:11 am |
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PaulP
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Thinking about it, should the final "top-up" be done with the filler hole open and the engine running (with auto box in P)??
ISTR reading this somewhere, but it doesn't seem to make much sense....  2006 Discovery 3 TDV6 SE Auto Buckingham Blue
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| 19th Apr 2010 10:13 am |
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evo8
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Paul - I think engine should run (idle) and in P position - from the manual:
9. If no fluid loss is apparent when the filler/level plug is removed, with the engine at idle, continue to fill the transmission until a small thread of oil runs from oil filler/level hole.
I found it in someones gallery as a pdf here - but do not know where from  I've reuploaded into mine gallery:
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| 19th Apr 2010 12:03 pm |
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PaulP
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Thanks a lot Evo - I think I cocked it up by not having the engine running whilst performing the level check....
I guess that with the engine running and the gearbox in P, the level must drop sufficiently to get another couple of litres in....
It just didn't seem right to open the fill plug with it all running, but I think this must have been where I went wrong...
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| 19th Apr 2010 12:07 pm |
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milbo
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It should also be at a certain temperature as this is suppose to make a difference also, in the end i let the dealer do it  Just to be sure
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| 19th Apr 2010 12:30 pm |
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PaulP
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I think the oil should be betwen 30°C and 50°C - I left it running for 3-5 minutes and when I stopped the engine   and checked the level the oil that came out felt about that temperature (nice and warm, but not too hot to the touch)....
I'm now very pis sed off with myself.....I read lots of information (including the bit you quoted), but just didn't twig that I needed it running to check the level after the inital fill....
I'm going to the corner now with a big pointy "D" hat..... 2006 Discovery 3 TDV6 SE Auto Buckingham Blue
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| 19th Apr 2010 12:42 pm |
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evo8
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Paul - but how do you know that it should be between 30-50 degC? the pdf I've linked says two contradictory statement regarding the temperature:
CAUTION: The gearbox fluid level must only be checked when the temperature of the fluid is between 30
degrees and 50 degrees. The fluid level obtained will be incorrect if the reading is outside this temperature
range.
and in the next couple lines this:
CAUTION: Make sure the transmission fluid temperature is below 30 degrees before starting the fluid
level check.
So what should be the temp in order to do the level check? between 30-50 or below 30? 2013 D4 TDV6 S; Baltic Blue; IID Tool BT
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| 19th Apr 2010 2:07 pm |
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PaulP
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I always thought that the oil should be warm before draining so that it flows easier - I thought it should be below 30° to avoid burns or whatever....
To be honest I noticed the contradictions, but kind of made up my own mind on what it should be  Famous last words!! 2006 Discovery 3 TDV6 SE Auto Buckingham Blue
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| 19th Apr 2010 2:14 pm |
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SteveNorman
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What they mean is, to carry out a check, make sure the fluid level is below 30 degrees C, then connect test equipment, (IDS etc) monitor temperature with the engine running until it is between 30-50 debgrees C,
Move the selector lever from 'P' through all gear positions, pausing in each gear position for 2-3 seconds and return to the 'P' position.
If no fluid loss is apparent when the filler/level plug is removed, with the engine at idle, continue to fill the transmission until a small thread of oil runs from oil filler/level hole.
They really mean don't check it after the gearbox temperature has cooled to 30-50, only check it on the warm upwards.
HTH
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| 19th Apr 2010 2:31 pm |
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PaulP
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Thanks a lot Steve 
So can I assume that there is no need to let the oil cool down to <30° before draining it?
I've just got home and it's 27 deg outside so I think I'd be waiting for hours before draining it 2006 Discovery 3 TDV6 SE Auto Buckingham Blue
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| 19th Apr 2010 2:46 pm |
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SteveNorman
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 I don't think it's that vital, mind you it gets very hot when at working temperature, so mind out if draining hot!
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| 19th Apr 2010 4:56 pm |
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PaulP
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ok...a quick update.
I didn't bother changing the pan filter as it is way too much hassle to do at home in my lickle garage.
After realising that only a muppet forgets to try and top up the sump with ATF without having the engine running and the transmission in P it was a very easy job.
I drained the oil hot (I got splashed, but no burns  ) and filled it with 2 litres....ran it through the gears and left it in idle for 3-5 minutes and then opened the fill plug and got another 2 and a bit litres in.
A complete transformation....very smooth, no "clutch slip" that I've noticed and from cold this morning the torque convertor started locking after just 500m instead of the usual couple of kms.
Very very happy and I can't believe I waited so long to do what is such as an easy job.
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| 20th Apr 2010 12:00 pm |
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DN
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Which oil did you use Paul, the Shell stuff or something else of the same spec, and how many litres do you think to do a double flush? I think I'll give this a go soon on mine.
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| 20th Apr 2010 12:15 pm |
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PaulP
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I used Motul Multi ATF - 10 euros a litre.
It is specified as meeting the requirements for M1375.4
I reckon you should get 5 litres "per fill", so I would get 11 litres just to be on the safe side.
I bought 15 litres and stil have 5.5 litres left. 2006 Discovery 3 TDV6 SE Auto Buckingham Blue
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| 20th Apr 2010 12:21 pm |
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DN
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Thanks Paul
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| 20th Apr 2010 12:25 pm |
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