Mike Tubby
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I listen to Radio 5 Live and Radio 4 a lot in my Discovery 4 GS on DAB (yeah, old age lol).
A couple of times a week I notice that it does a strange "skip and jump" in time... it will be playing out the audio and repeat the last 2 seconds. On other occasions it will drop approx 2 seconds from the audio.
This sounds like a software bug in thew DAB radio itself.
Has anyone else experienced this?
Mike
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8th Dec 2013 12:10 pm |
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DG
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You might find that if it does this in the same place every time...it's to do with digital signal crossover points ISTR. Happens in the wife's Fiesta too 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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8th Dec 2013 12:13 pm |
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petersw
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Is it always in the same location ? If so it could be where the Dab switches to a different receiving station Peter
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8th Dec 2013 12:14 pm |
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petersw
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hehe you beat me to it DG Peter
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8th Dec 2013 12:15 pm |
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DG
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At least we are saying the same thing 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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8th Dec 2013 12:15 pm |
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petersw
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Peter
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8th Dec 2013 12:16 pm |
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Mike Tubby
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petersw wrote:Is it always in the same location ? If so it could be where the Dab switches to a different receiving station
It happens anywhere in the country and at random but infrequently - once in a couple of weeks.
It cannot be due to "switching frequency" because DAB technology is a Single Frequency Network - all radio sites transmit the same signal on the same frequency with high precision timing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Audio...y_networks
hence there is no retuning... which leads to a second issue with the Disco 4 radio... that is sometimes it says "Searching ..." as it it is scanning around for another frequency which is meaningless as the BBC National DAB Multiplex (12B) is a single, national, frequency and it does not transmit an "alternate frequency" (AF) list like traditional FM+RDS.
My hunch is this is a bug in the radio firmware and is due to some sort of timing issue (time slip) in the buffering that gets gradually worse until it runs off the end of the buffer and then snaps back in to step and plays the same part out twice in the process.
It happens so infrequently that the first time or two you notice it you think "was I dreaming or did they just say that bit twice" and its not until you've noticed it five or six times over as many months that you start to realise your not going mad
Mike
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8th Dec 2013 7:44 pm |
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DG
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I don't think either Peter or myself indicated a change of frequency Mike it must be feasible for dropout when the signal is moving from being received from one transmitter to another.
All I know is that there must be an external force causing it as I experience a half second dropout in exactly the same locations on regular journey routes e.g the roundabout in Cobham just as I turn left onto the A307, at the lights on Putney Bridge, etc .....IMO that type of dropout cannot be vehicle software related
You may have a specific problem perhaps ...ask your dealer to reflash it for you 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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8th Dec 2013 8:31 pm |
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Mike Tubby
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Thing is this isn't just a "drop out", i.e. radio coverage ... the car is in a good coverage area at the time and what it does is it repeats a couple of seconds of the programme for example half a sentence in the middle of a traffic report or news item...
Mike
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8th Dec 2013 11:05 pm |
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Adigorn
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have you tv in it?
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9th Dec 2013 1:29 am |
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Mike Tubby
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No... no TV...
Mike
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9th Dec 2013 1:37 am |
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DG
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Not sure if this enlightens
Quote:Signal delay
The nature of a SFN is such that the transmitters in a network must broadcast the same signal at the same time. To achieve synchronization, the broadcaster must counter any differences in propagation time incurred by the different methods and distances involved in carrying the signal from the multiplexer to the different transmitters. This is done by applying a delay to the incoming signal at the transmitter based on a timestamp generated at the multiplexer, created taking into account the maximum likely propagation time, with a generous added margin for safety. Delays in the receiver due to digital processing (e.g. deinterleaving) add to the overall delay perceived by the listener.[19] The signal is delayed by 2–4 seconds depending on the decoding circuitry used. This has disadvantages:
DAB radios are out of step with live events, so the experience of listening to live commentaries on events being watched is impaired; Listeners using a combination of analogue (AM or FM) and DAB radios (e.g. in different rooms of a house) will hear a confusing mixture when both receivers are within earshot.
Time signals, on the contrary, are not a problem in a well-defined network with a fixed delay. The DAB multiplexer adds the proper offset to the distributed time information. The time information is also independent from the (possibly varying) audio decoding delay in receivers since the time is not embedded inside the audio frames. This means that built in clocks in receivers will be spot on. 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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9th Dec 2013 1:48 am |
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Adigorn
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i ve got recently a few issues with DAB
(yes i am talking of 13my)
worth updating software in DAB module (surly warranty claim)
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9th Dec 2013 1:53 am |
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DG
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Only if there is DAB software to update ...they could only reflash the original at build afaik. My experience with other vehicles and other portable DAB tells me that it's the network that's not perfect 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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9th Dec 2013 2:02 am |
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Adigorn
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Quote:Only if there is DAB software to update Confused .
in the ones i ve done it was
Quote:network that's not perfect Smile
i have stick on highway device and not an issue with it
(external aerial though)
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9th Dec 2013 2:04 am |
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