Spikey
Member Since: 27 Feb 2009
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I've been having intermittent creeping forward when I am stopped with the EPB applied. Not every time, but more often than not. If I pull up the EPB switch again, then the brake applies harder and no more creep occurs. I had the car serviced earlier this week and the EPB was adjusted as part of the normal service. However, I'm still getting the creep problem. As the brakes have been adjusted, should I carry out a bedding-in procedure to get the system to apply the correct pressure to the EPB so I don't need to apply it twice to stop it creeping?
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 10th Dec 2009 9:14 am |
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Bodsy
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It soiunds as though it wasn't really adjusted properly. Should creep if you adjust it 100% correct. (although may do if you've applied on a steep hill). Mine's recently started creeping a little on occassion (when pulled up at traffic lights & epb applied etc) so I think I'll adjust it over the Christmas period 
Bedding in procedure BTW, will only bed the shoes in (take the surface coating off & match the EPB drum), it doesn't make adjustment to the EPB.
Oh and never one to miss an opportunity, here's the EPB link.....
http://www.disco3.co.uk/gallery/albums/use..._Brake.zip Bodsys Brake Bible
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| 10th Dec 2009 10:16 am |
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Spikey
Member Since: 27 Feb 2009
Location: Leeds
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Thanks Bodsy. I did have a look at the files yesterday from another EPB link.. I guess the dealers didn't adjust them right then....
How long should it take for me to do the adjustment? I've worked on plenty of vehicles in the past, but not one as complex as this one. Looking at the EPB adjustment instructions, I presume you use a flat blade screwdriver to click the adjuster round until you get between the specified torque range and then back off 8 clicks.. Question is, which way tightens and which way loosens on each side (or is it blindingly obvious)  ? Thanks
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| 10th Dec 2009 10:26 am |
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Bodsy
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There's two parts to the adjustment, first you release the fixed adjuster which is covered by a small rubber grommet IIRC. undo that, then tighten it up, then adjust the knurled end as you say, with a flat bladed screwdriver until you get the right Torque on the hub., then adjust back by 8 clicks.
It'll be obvious which way to adjust as one way will tighten it and the other way won't....  
TBH, it takes longer to get the car jacked up and the wheel off than it does for the adjustment. (assuming your not going to take the whole drum off & clean it out?)
it's not actually difficult to do (as long as you have faith & follow the directions), and fairly basic tools needed, so if you've done a bit of work on cars before, you'll be fine
Don't forget to put the EPB in service mode and remove the fuse before touching it! Bodsys Brake Bible
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| 10th Dec 2009 10:32 am |
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Spikey
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Thanks! Will have a go when I've got a couple of hours spare....
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| 10th Dec 2009 11:11 am |
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PaulP
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I had mine sorted a few months ago before the warranty ran out as it had started to squeel like a pig.
For the next couple of weeks after delivery, it suffered from creep when the EPB was applied and the gearbox in D...as Spikey mentioned, I had to "apply" the EPB twice for it to hold the D3 stationary.
However, it soon stopped doing it and now works perfectly.
Weird eh?
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| 10th Dec 2009 11:20 am |
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Bodsy
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Paul, ISTR the EPB 'clutch' should adjust itself, but the creep is caused by it not being out by enough to self adjust or something like that. stuck between tollerences perhaps? Bodsys Brake Bible
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| 10th Dec 2009 11:22 am |
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John Fair
Member Since: 03 Jan 2008
Location: Horning Norfolk UK
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Bodsy, Do you know exactly what releases the epb as i am having problems with creep at the moment!!! Random and the dealer has had it for three days,fitted new shoes and still it creeps(all free). Im in no way slating the dealer as they are as keen as me to fix the problem but it continues to creep at lights and rolls down the test hill that is part of most dealers forecourts? They have spent quite a lot of time on it at no expense to myself and even lent me a D4 demonstrator for three days to go to Edinburgh. I/we really need a solution to this???
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| 16th Dec 2009 12:15 am |
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Alex08
Member Since: 09 Nov 2006
Location: Glasgow
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mine has had creep for about 18 months no matter what the dealer has done.
eventually decided it was less bother to activate the lever twice which always sorts it. Not ideal and will make the MOT interesting, but.......
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| 16th Dec 2009 12:39 am |
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NoDo$h
Member Since: 02 May 2006
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LRs own techs from Solihull replaced my complete EPB assembly and calibrated it, and 24 hours later there was creep..... 
Fine now though. I know it's not considered "kind" to say no these days, but no. Just no, ok? And if it's not ok, still no.
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| 16th Dec 2009 12:54 am |
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SPOTTER
Member Since: 06 Dec 2006
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...I find now that after several cleanings and adjustmenst I now have to pull the lever up for longer to not get creep.........got used to it but hadn't thought about the MOT chap.........well he is probably the same guy who cleans it so he should know end of an era ....... maybe a Defender when it appears.......
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| 16th Dec 2009 8:14 am |
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John Fair
Member Since: 03 Jan 2008
Location: Horning Norfolk UK
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By any chance has anyone else had the latest gearbox update/flash about the time that the creep set in..just trying to eliminate all posibilities!
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| 17th Dec 2009 10:57 am |
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Alan G
Member Since: 15 Oct 2008
Location: Lanarkshire
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I had, have this one mine occasionally. I had complained that the EPB was squealing on release, so it went in to dealers and came back out this way. Now i wondered if the tech had released the tension on the shoes to drums, hoping to stop, reduce the bind, squeal on the drum. Just backing it off enough, so it still holds, but only just? (mention this as many moons ago, Vauxhall wouldn't adjust their hand brake cables for the first year or so, as they had problems with hand/park brakes seizing up on them) ATB
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