Member Since: 02 Feb 2016
Location: northants
Posts: 30
EPB rear shoes return spring help!
Hi, please can someone advise how to put retaining spring on drivers side rear shoes, I have followed the Bodsy guide (thanks Bodsy). Only issue is getting the lower return spring back on, its really difficult to put back on the return spring and spreader plate, as the spring won't stretch and sit under the piece of metal that juts out underneath. Any advise tips would be greatly appreciated? Thanks.
2nd Oct 2016 9:47 pm
zoneout
Member Since: 28 Oct 2015
Location: Cape Town
Posts: 39
I am not sure exactly how you are trying to do it: but what I can say is that I battled like crazy, until I put the springs and plate on first, and then put the shoes onto the mounts. I found that it was possible to lever the shoes over and into position as an assembly with the springs and the spreader plate in position. The spreader plate jumps all over the place, and it needs to be carefully checked that its properly in place.
I struggled for ages trying to get the spring hooked into the shoes while they were in place. Couldn't do it: although in retrospect, a vice grip clamped onto the leg of the spring would maybe have done it.
Hope this helps: good luck!
3rd Oct 2016 1:15 am
SteveNorman
Member Since: 14 Oct 2005
Location: Somerset
Posts: 1144
Yes. Assemble the shoes with the spring on. Push the spreader plate into the shoe with the handbrake cable on, then pivot the front shoe over the spreader plate while locating on the stub on the backplate. Make sure the spring on the spreader isn't trapped when it is all fitted.
Regards
Steve
3rd Oct 2016 5:47 am
lynalldiscovery
Member Since: 22 Dec 2009
Location: Maidstone
Posts: 7274
After I had done mine I found out that if you have an IID tool there is a mount position for the shoes which from what I can gather is further wound off than normal making it easier to get the springs off/on weirdly no one seems to mention this in any epb replies?
I work on trucks and found the epb shoes bloody infuriating and way to small compared to what Im used to.
3rd Oct 2016 6:40 am
mahoneyt
Member Since: 02 Feb 2016
Location: northants
Posts: 30
Thanks for the advise guys.
Steve - is it possible to put spring on and spreader and attach afterwards as it look quite restrictive to push them in between the hub and locating plate underneath?
Alternatively, is it easier to fit master shoe and attach handbrake cable, then attach spring and spreader plate, which seems impossible to get them spread apart and put in place ?
Is there any tool (apart from me!) to spread apart the spring to make easier to apply ?
Thanks in advance.
3rd Oct 2016 7:32 am
J428 TGS
Member Since: 13 Nov 2015
Location: Shetland
Posts: 100
get some strong string put a coulpe of turns around the hook of the spring and a couple of turns around your hand and simply pull in to place then draw string out simples
That's a farmer fix for pulling in akward springs
3rd Oct 2016 3:07 pm
SteveNorman
Member Since: 14 Oct 2005
Location: Somerset
Posts: 1144
Mount the rear shoe on the handbrake cable, then attached it to the backplate with the hold down spring.
Fit the rectangle spring to the spreader. Put the spreader onto the rear shoe slot. Fit the large spring that fits between the shoes, you can then locate the end of the front brake shoe & lever it over the spreader, against the large spring pressure. sometimes a small screw driver to just hold the spreader spring back helps.
It's always best to put it in mounting mode, to allow the handbrake to be correctly adjusted, as sometimes the cables can hold the shoes out.
regards
Steve
3rd Oct 2016 3:25 pm
mahoneyt
Member Since: 02 Feb 2016
Location: northants
Posts: 30
Hi Guys,
thanks for all the advice. Finally got those suckers in !. The easiest way was to attach the large spring to both shoes, then attach the hand brake cable to the master shoe, letting them flop about, then put the retainer clip on master shoe to lock in place.
Here come the beeping part (and there's a lot through this process) grab hold of the other shoe with spring attached and slid the separator plate in up against the master shoe making sure you have tied string around the spring that attaches to the other shoe(good shout Bodsy!), then with as much force as possible pull over the separator plate, using the metal part jutting out to leverage into place with a little help with a screwdriver, then add the top spring, and adjuster thingy,then the lad retaining pin.
Then add the new disc and with a little tap here and there on she goes, put the calliper holder on, brake shoes and then finally the calliper, job done !
Now all I need to do is the bedding in process, hopefully that will go well.
Just out of interest ! Has anyone used mintex brake shoes ? As when trying to fit them the hand brake holder was really difficult to get through the hole, without using mole grips and hanging off it, unlike the ones that came off and the retaining pin slot on the secondary shoe was just a hole not a slot, which made it difficult to adjust the shoes when offering up the disc, unlike the originals.
Or maybe it was jut me !
Thanks again everyone.
3rd Oct 2016 5:44 pm
lynalldiscovery
Member Since: 22 Dec 2009
Location: Maidstone
Posts: 7274
Been quite a few issues with Mintex brake shoes on the old series land rovers, at one time they were the shoe of choice now they are to be avoided at all costs.
The main issue is with the adjuster pin falling out, nothing serious!
I stuck genuine on mine they werent much dearer, Im not one for genuine anything but to save the hassle thought it was worth it.
3rd Oct 2016 6:30 pm
SteveNorman
Member Since: 14 Oct 2005
Location: Somerset
Posts: 1144
Mintex shoes, difficult to get the cables through, also sometimes aren't very easy to bed in & the material is not so good.
I only fit Genuine Landrover. Expensive, but so is being stuck on the side of the road!
regards
Steve
4th Oct 2016 3:10 pm
mccollum
Member Since: 26 Feb 2006
Location: Glos uk
Posts: 4
EPB shoes
I am just doing the park brake shoes on my D3, and in the installation kit [clips and springs pack] there are two short stubby spring which I am at a loss as to where they go [the two about half way down the picture] All the other ones are obvious.
Thanks
14th Nov 2017 5:15 pm
DN D3 Decade
Member Since: 24 Jun 2006
Location: W.London.
Posts: 2293
From memory, they are not required, ignore those 2 springs. D3 owned from new, P017 brake recall, BAS FBHIC, new FBH, LR013487 oil pump, new water pump. RRS front lower suspension arms. New suspension compressor/ relay. New Denso alternator. CuNifer rear brake pipes. New GKN rear propshaft. New HPFP belt & tensioner. New A/C Condenser.NO WARRANTY for many many years.
14th Nov 2017 5:20 pm
mccollum
Member Since: 26 Feb 2006
Location: Glos uk
Posts: 4
Many thanks-I am relieved that I don't have to dismantle them and do them again
14th Nov 2017 5:29 pm
OJ
Member Since: 01 Oct 2017
Location: Loch Leven
Posts: 725
These ones outlined in red?
At the adjuster end look on the brake shoe theres a hole and another hole on the backplate the springs go there one on each side.
See here (not always fitted)
Cheers
OJ
14th Nov 2017 5:32 pm
DN D3 Decade
Member Since: 24 Jun 2006
Location: W.London.
Posts: 2293
I certainly do not remember those (or the remains of)being present on mine, (untouched from new when I first saw them).....maybe there are varying types Is that pic of a D4 OJ ?D3 owned from new, P017 brake recall, BAS FBHIC, new FBH, LR013487 oil pump, new water pump. RRS front lower suspension arms. New suspension compressor/ relay. New Denso alternator. CuNifer rear brake pipes. New GKN rear propshaft. New HPFP belt & tensioner. New A/C Condenser.NO WARRANTY for many many years.
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