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MLGOMEZ
Member Since: 14 Jun 2005
Location: West Sussex
Posts: 23
  
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I actually dont have one of those collars and never had to resort to it yet  As I have yet to own a problem dog - which have included various Rotties & German Shepherds and current dog Springer spaniel.
These collars are legal so I cant understand what you are all getting so upset about - sounds like the new disco3 is attracting Animals rights people etc.   . Instead of the usual Country sports enthusiasts.
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 20th Jul 2005 4:04 pm |
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BN
Member Since: 18 Mar 2005
Location: Here
Posts: 6463
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I think these collars would be ideal for drunken yobs. If they misbehave in the street, just zap them 
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| 20th Jul 2005 4:07 pm |
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Slimer
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Member Since: 06 Jan 2005
Location: Last Exit to Nowhere
Posts: 16295
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One of the many dogs I had was a problem Rottweiler, the the problems were as a result of his previous owner beating him. With a couple of months a patient gentle training he was completely changed normal dog.
It's got nothing to do with Animal Rights, why do people think the only way to get a dog to behave the way they want is to hurt it?
It's perfectly legal to own a baseball bat or gun (with the right license) doesn't make it alright to use them against someone
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| 20th Jul 2005 4:20 pm |
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Pelyma
Member Since: 06 Jan 2005
Location: Patching, Sussex
Posts: 15496
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Well sorry but I hunt, course, shoot and fish and have done so all my life. In fact I'm off to sit on the CA stand at the Game Fair for the next few days to promote the temporarily banned sport of coursing, so I don't think anyone would call me an animal rights activist! But I still do not agree with these collars, have you seen dogs trained in this manner? I have it is not a pretty sight and has totally ruined whole strains of gundogs in the US where they are used at tool of choice. As I said the only way I would condone the use of one is on a stock worrier that otherwise will be taking a one way walk in the woods.
I do have experience of dog training with the family being part of a demonstration team that regularly appear at Crufts with their whippets. DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
DS3 TDV6 HSE- Silver with Alpaca (new one) Gone
D4 HSE Lux - Montalcino Red Gone
Porsche Cayenne V8 Diesel S
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| 20th Jul 2005 4:39 pm |
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MLGOMEZ
Member Since: 14 Jun 2005
Location: West Sussex
Posts: 23
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Getting back on subject - anyone going to the CLA game fair this weekend can probably see the practicality and feel the great quality of dog-bag in the flesh on one of the stands.
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| 20th Jul 2005 4:50 pm |
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Pelyma
Member Since: 06 Jan 2005
Location: Patching, Sussex
Posts: 15496
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If anyone is going I've got 2 tickets looking for a home (free) they are valid on any day DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
DS3 TDV6 HSE- Silver with Alpaca (new one) Gone
D4 HSE Lux - Montalcino Red Gone
Porsche Cayenne V8 Diesel S
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| 20th Jul 2005 5:03 pm |
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MVS
Member Since: 18 Jul 2005
Location: People's Republic of Yorkshire
Posts: 419
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You paid £89 at york. I only paid 70 something @ Pickering.
I agree fixings are crap, & requires effort to get it in right, I never said it was perfect, but its better than an hour cleaning the back of the car or a couple of £40 valets.
It gives a little once you've had it in a while as well.
BUT it does require mods to get it to stay.
Mike
P.S. I took the first one back, then reconsidered a week later when I realised there's nothing else out there. Bags, Guns, and Zappy collars aside.
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| 20th Jul 2005 10:42 pm |
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10forcash
Member Since: 09 Jun 2005
Location: Ubique
Posts: 16534
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Mlgomez,
they used to use a similar 'treatment' on humans... now considered barbaric and counterproductive - even in the scenario BN suggests 
Slimer's right, the only way to correct an animal's behaviour is with positive reward, anything else indicates that the 'owner' has lost the plot - sorry 
Cheers,
10forcash
proud 'owner' of three rescue dogs in the past, all became great members of the family with a bit of TLC and time
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| 20th Jul 2005 10:58 pm |
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