TSR2 wrote:

DG,
That's why the media will never be taken to task, it's never their fault. The schoolyard or more probably the text buddies can never be stopped but it is foolish to think that TV the most powerful of the medias doesn't have any effect. That's like saying the disgusting little so called teenage girl magazines telling them "how to pleasure your man" or "give him the best blow job ever" do no harm. It encourages some of them to do things they probably wouldn't if they hadn't read it.

If TV didn't have any effect then there are millions of pounds of advertising money being wasted every day.

If only one new kid hears something on the news or is told by his parents who have seen the news and spreads this through his network of text buddies the effect can be huge. You're right word is spread rapidly between themselves but one of them has to find out this info first. The reporting of things in this way can give them the source.

See still not full blown rant.......I'm off to see the medic.

Trev.

TSR your magazine analogy doesn't work for me because when I was young the girls gave blowjobs and pleasured just as prolifically without having read about it

You have broadened the question to TV in general rather than the news but the logic still doesn't follow for me I'm afraid ...you don't see an increase in murder rates because murders are reported in depth Raising awareness of particular crimes can actually assist in either resolving them or advising on how not to become a victim.

If they are guilty of anything I think news reports can have an effect of causing greater anxiety in the population by for example an implication that you are going to get mugged when you step on the pavement after dark....or that we are all going to die from Swine Flu. Those are the real negative effects.

I think if you are looking to find the real culprit then the medium that is uncontrolled, glorifies and promote violence and crime............. then look no further than our beloved "You Tube "

ad15 wrote:

lets not even get started on the swine flu lark.... has that miraculously gone away? or has the number infected gone above the number a newsreader can count to.

I was reading some info on this a while back which made me curious enough to go check some bit out for myself.

Swine flu was supposed to be a pandemic. It was started with an outbreak in Mexico which had previously had issues with regular flu. That much seems to be true.

So, the chosen vaccine to combat this was Tamiflu, something we've heard loads about on the news. Now, Tamiflu is manufactured by a large American pharmaceutical company called Baxters, something else I managed to verify as being accurate.

One thing the media did not report though was that Baxters have been caught not once, but twice, shipping live virus in their Tamiflu vaccines, in other words, spreading the virus, not immunising against it. Baxters said it was a fault in the manufacturing process. Now, call me old fashioned and a cynic if you will, but Baxters have a vested financial interest in the world requiring a lot of their vaccines (which are actually quite ineffective by what I've read) Accident? You decide.

Oh and one other thing I found, not sure if it makes a difference. One of the largest shareholders in Baxters is none other than Donald Rumsfeld, someone who we all know has been in 'questionable' positions in the past.

The media conveniently forgot to mention any of the above points which pretty much confirms what I always suspected. The trouble is, there are a lot of people who read something in the Daily Sport and assume it must be true because it's there in black and white. One only has to look at programmes like Jeremy Kyle to understand that those of us with a modicum of common sense would seem to be in the minority. It's probably a major contributor to glamourising the sort of brain dead incident which Mac referred to, along with sites like You-Tube and trashy magazines which promote the "posh & Becks" type of situation as being desirable and something to look up to.

Would a news blackout work? Probably not. But what might work is if our esteemed friends the Rozzers took a more pragmatic view of law enforcement and based it on common sense, decency and moral standards rather than the present system of making their stats look good and fleecing the motorist. Most of these brain dead morons who commit such atrocious acts might not be able to read and write but they sure as hell know they won't get any bother from the police; most of them are too busy erecting new speed cameras.

Did I really just say that??

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Right is right and wrong is wrong. Normal people (as you put it) know this.

mplcg,
I agree with you, here , but unless the greater society is reinforcing what is right, then what is right ends up equating to what feels good.

If the full force of the law does not come down and make an example of people who do these sorts of things, the definition of what is right and wrong, as defined by social and cultural clues becomes blurry.

The sensationalisation of these stories would be all right as long as when the b ds got caught they were made to pay very handsomely and publicly for their crimes. (Such as public hanging for murder, for instance.)

By the time most (I'm assuming they're young) young scrotes like this reach 10 or 11, they have been shown that just about any behaviour is acceptable as long as it makes you feel good and you don't get caught. Bullying is a perfect example. If a kid is getting repeatedly bullied by someone and retaliates physically, who is the one who gets in trouble?

A lot of this stems from the feminisation of society. Women don't like to be seen to judge others (of course, I'm generalising, and my wife is a good exception to this generalisation ). Men tend to be more judgemental than women, and enforce serious discipline (and like I said, this is a generalisation) and the like.

But many kids nowadays don't encounter adult men of responsibility and gravitas until their teen years in high school, by which point those who are spoilable are spoiled. And with the feminisation of society, custodial sentences go down, sympathy for the perp''s circumstances goes up, and we invite anarchy...

I can say that among my friends when I was a teenager, we all got in trouble to some extent with the cops...We weren't the most savoury bunch to hang out with. However, out of all my friends and acquaintances, the only ones who ended up doing jail/prison time were the ones who had no fathers around. Anecdotal, perhaps, but I think there is a correlation.

Having responsible adult men around reinforces what is right and wrong (and, so no one gets upset on behalf of their divorced mother, this is a generalisation.)

weimeys mum wrote:

Have any of you social norm people actually thought outside the box ?
how many of you actually read leaflets that come through your door ?


As for the puppy from hell, you get out of a dog what you put in so maybe you should not be so quick to judge

well I read them, especially when some head seems hell bent on poisioning local cats, maybe a different reaction if some head was throwing poisioned meat over your fence for your Weimys , as for the puppy from hell, he's being trained by the book, socialised with family and friends, but he is teething and with cabin fever. He's had his last injection and microchip last Friday, so ready to walk his little legs off tomorrow.

Russell, my mistake I think. Initially it was the end of the A2070, but now moved to the A259 from the garage to the woolpack

discocuzzy wrote:

Caught a bloke trying to shoot my cat with an Air pistol earlier in the year..i politely asked him to stop then politely kicked 10 bells of out of him and smashed the gun to bits with a sledge hammer.
Posted it through his letterbox and poured brake fluid all over his shiny motor a month later.

Cant stand cruelty to animals, for once Mac..i agree with you

I can't stand crueltyo to animals either but THAT'S a bit extreme

did you bother to ask him why he was attempting to shoot you cat?

dare I ask what your view is of your cat sh*tting in other peoples gardens?

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