Member Since: 25 Feb 2007
Location: Moscow,Russia
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AT or MT tyres in 17" ?
Hello,
If you think that its a parking for picnic let you know that that is parking for Wrangler HP wheelspining
I had some problems with Wrangler HP in the country last weekend. Absolutelly helpless tyre on wet loam. Shame on my Disco Some local people made fun on me For happy D3 used its last chance after half an hour wheelspining and playing with Terrain Response sets. So russian-made off-road truck available in the neighborhood had no chance to earn some cash on me
Known problem is that no AT or MT tyres available in D3 size. (I was not able to find suitable AT or MT 235/70R17 or 255/60/18. Simex AT2 in 255/60/18 is still out of production.
Does anybody tried to install 265/70 R17 wheels on subj ? If yes....what about clearance with body elements etc ? I know that the size is larger ( diameter +40 мм, so +20 мм road clearance. But what to do ?) Might be it will be possible to have such set of weels only for off road use in the country ?
some funny photos more:
WBR, Alexander.WBR
Alexander (LR D4, MY 14, SDV6 HSE Auto )
19th Mar 2007 4:02 pm
simon
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Looking at those pics I think you'll struggle with anything short of tractor tyres.
Your only weapon here is momentum.
MT tyres would have got you further maybe but still would have filled up with mud and created slicks.
Very bad terrain just like wet grass
19th Mar 2007 4:47 pm
AndrewS Tarquin of the Desert
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Or dont reverse off the track when conditions are poor In the Beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
19th Mar 2007 5:18 pm
Gareth Site Moderator
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I would say a winch and a good ground anchor might be a good investment if thats your driveway
19th Mar 2007 5:19 pm
simon
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Especially as the D3 weighs so much... a lighter Freelander 2 on the same tyres would probably have been OK.
19th Mar 2007 5:34 pm
AlexIv
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simon wrote:
Especially as the D3 weighs so much... a lighter Freelander 2 on the same tyres would probably have been OK.
Sure, the road was not so hard. I could say more .....Good for spring.... No snow water ....just some mud You see...... I was not able to go on... D3 stoped at all. You see at phote... its a cause of my attemp to U-turn.... I stopped by mistake .... and after this supid stop there were no possibility to go on straight. Reverse was a little bit more successful.I tried to U-turn. And see a photo. Really its a not hard country road for our places. Even after snow thawing. No tractor needed Road for parquet car with suitable tyres.WBR
Alexander (LR D4, MY 14, SDV6 HSE Auto )
19th Mar 2007 8:29 pm
simon
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just bad luck mate... happens to all of us at least once.
19th Mar 2007 8:43 pm
disco4x4au
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Alexiv,
To answer your question, yes, 265/70/17 tyres will fit your D3, if you're prepared to put up with some slight rubbing on some of the plastic wheel well at the back.
I don't know what MT tyres are available over there in that size - in Australia we have a choice of Cooper STT, Mickey Thompson MTZ or Interco SSR Super Swampers (in approximate order of aggressiveness).
Cheers,
Gordonex - 2006 D3 TDV6 SE, silver, with lots of stuff - R.I.P.
ex - 2009 D3 TDV6 SE, silver, had lots of stuff too!
Now - 2010 RRS 3.0 TDV6, rimini red, 18" rims + Cooper LTZ, rear eLocker, Spider tuning box, GOE protection plates and rock sliders, GOE 3way shortened rods.
19th Mar 2007 11:31 pm
AlexIv
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Gordon, thank you for info. D3 in your photo gallery equipped with 265/70/17 ?
No contact with body in normal height position of body ?
Sorry, not very clear for me : "to put up with some slight rubbing on some of the plastic wheel well at the back" ?.WBR
Alexander (LR D4, MY 14, SDV6 HSE Auto )
20th Mar 2007 11:52 am
disco4x4au
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AlexIv wrote:
Gordon, thank you for info. D3 in your photo gallery equipped with 265/70/17 ?
No contact with body in normal height position of body ?
Yes, that's with the Mickey Thompson MTZ 265/70/17 tyres fitted.
The "rubbing" I mentioned is only during extreme conditions - either in "normal" or 'off-road" settings, when the suspension is being driven to it's extremes, the rear tyres rub on the rear tyre-well protrusion that you'll find at the front of the rear tyre well. It'll rub until it wears the plastic down, after which it doesn't make contact any more.
Cheers,
Gordonex - 2006 D3 TDV6 SE, silver, with lots of stuff - R.I.P.
ex - 2009 D3 TDV6 SE, silver, had lots of stuff too!
Now - 2010 RRS 3.0 TDV6, rimini red, 18" rims + Cooper LTZ, rear eLocker, Spider tuning box, GOE protection plates and rock sliders, GOE 3way shortened rods.
20th Mar 2007 12:44 pm
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Can you get waffles or maxtrax (www.maxtrax.com.au) in Russia?
Steve
20th Mar 2007 1:58 pm
AlexIv
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300+ wrote:
Can you get waffles or maxtrax (www.maxtrax.com.au) in Russia?
Steve
Hi, Steve
I am not sure about matrax devices but sure... simular light-weight alloy arrangements are available at our market.WBR
Alexander (LR D4, MY 14, SDV6 HSE Auto )
20th Mar 2007 3:18 pm
10forcash
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looking at how the left rear has sunk, I doubt a more aggressive tread would help, the RHS wheels clearly have traction looking at the tyre imprints, personally, i'd have used a spade to reduce the exit angle for the rear left wheel and dropped the tyre pressures by about 7-10psi.
Sometimes on soft ground 'rocking' the vehicle in gear (easier in a manual than an auto) is enough to reduce the exit angle on bogged wheels, spinning the wheels with an aggressive tread can sometimes just dig you in deeper...
20th Mar 2007 3:24 pm
AlexIv
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10forcash wrote:
spinning the wheels with an aggressive tread can sometimes just dig you in deeper...
Yes, I affraid to go deeper.... thanks to unfigured Wranglers HP...I'd made long but shallow scratch on loam with left rear wheel ( deep were about half of wheel ) and had a chance to rock a car.
But... from the other hand of view other weels were free and good tyres should play.... particularly taking in mind rear dif lock, etc.WBR
Alexander (LR D4, MY 14, SDV6 HSE Auto )
20th Mar 2007 9:40 pm
10forcash
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to a certain extent, yes, although weight transfer would reduce the friction on the other three wheels and if the traction available is less than the force required to pull the rear left wheel out of the rut, any vehicle with any tyres will fail... even LR can't change the basic principles of physics
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Some local people made fun on me 
For happy D3 used its last chance after half an hour wheelspining and playing with Terrain Response sets. So russian-made off-road truck available in the neighborhood had no chance to earn some cash on me 
