Pelyma
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No that’s very bad because several people criticised him on the pseudo B...... thread  DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
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astonbuilder
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Mightymildred wrote:I think it’s VERY SAD that production has been shifted overseas.
it hasn't been 'shifted' overseas........ 
The plant was planned years ago to increase capacity and all the other 'benefits' of in region (or closer to other further afield customers/markets) for certain models, etc.
It is as valid now as it was then, despite difficulties the majority of auto manufacturers are experiencing currently. UK isn't big enough to build all the current, and reduced, volume in its UK footprint. If you believe some things it may become even more relevant after a certain key date for the UK next year
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J77
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Who cared about the Japanese workforce when Honda,Toyota and Nissan opened plants here? 23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
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| 2nd Nov 2018 8:13 pm |
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DG
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Pelyma wrote:No that’s very bad because several people criticised him on the pseudo B...... thread
Criticised him for being disingenuous is perhaps more accurate.....his words in the years leading up to the decision led many to believe it would be in the uk.
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| 2nd Nov 2018 8:20 pm |
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Pelyma
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And JLR don’t trade on their Britishness???🤔 DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
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| 2nd Nov 2018 8:28 pm |
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LT
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I could be wrong, but haven’t the management of JLR always been against Brexit? Whilst in recent years Dyson was loudly beating the drum for Brexit and how great it would be for U.K. manufacturing etc. etc.
Ralf Speth has been very vocal on the subject in the press recently. I’ll not post the links, wouldn’t want anyone to melt!
I totally understand the business reasons for overseas production and don’t disagree with it. I do think Dyson is a huge hypocrite though. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
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| 2nd Nov 2018 8:45 pm |
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Pelyma
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Who said anything about Brexit about JLR, this seems an example of them pushing this http://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/article.asp?newsIdx=169542 purely as an example, not cherry picked DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
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| 2nd Nov 2018 8:58 pm |
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astonbuilder
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Pelyma wrote:And JLR don’t trade on their Britishness???🤔
And you think Rolls Royce owners worry about parentage and where their bodies are built, engines in Aston’s, French cars not built in France, German cars not built in Germany, American cars not built in America, etc. 
If they did companies like Magna Steyr would go bust 
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| 2nd Nov 2018 9:57 pm |
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DG
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Pelyma wrote:And JLR don’t trade on their Britishness???🤔
JLR have a significant UK base in R&D and manufacturing...they have under TATA had a global expansion plan to serve local markets, which is well documented. Dyson on the other hand moved production out of the UK to Malaysia and now Singapore ...not to compliment the UK market and to serve local markets ...but because he is a self serving hypocritical slime ball 
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| 2nd Nov 2018 9:59 pm |
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Pelyma
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As my BIL works for RR from what I’ve seen yes the British element is a huge part and why so many buyers come and see their cars being built and want the heritage of Goodwood. DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
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| 2nd Nov 2018 10:02 pm |
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60DISCO
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There is nothing wrong with having a global approach car production (For the Pedants nowadays - That is what Land Rovers are - cars). There is nothing wrong with expanding production facilities on a global basis. Look what Nissan, Honda and Toyota did in establishing automotive plants in the UK and very good they are too (in spite of the French jibes at Aircraft carriers off the coast and then went all Gooey over Valenciennes!!!!!!!!)
Where is Dyson building his 'wonderful Electric car'? Not here. He'll take the grant money but not give us the benefits. Hope they last longer than his Vacuum cleaners!!!
Which idiots who bought there Dysons listened to him?
The last thing the Automotive industry needed was Brexit.
Strange that the North East voted for it. I am sure they will be the first to start whining when they start losing the well paid Automotive jobs - Don't bite the hand that feeds you.
Don't knock Car plants overseas, from what I have seen they are as good as anything in the Midlands, if not better!!!
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| 2nd Nov 2018 10:04 pm |
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RRSTDV8
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astonbuilder wrote:UK isn't big enough to build all the current
How much room do JLR need? The UK is 93,000 square miles FFS... Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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| 3rd Nov 2018 2:08 am |
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RRSTDV8
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DG wrote:Pelyma wrote:No that’s very bad because several people criticised him on the pseudo B...... thread
Criticised him for being disingenuous is perhaps more accurate.....his words in the years leading up to the decision led many to believe it would be in the uk.
More importantly, Dyson once argued for the UK to join the Euro. He pressed for closer EU ties. Then the EU brought out a vacuum cleaner test that didn't suit him. And suddenly he was became a spokesman for Brexit. The man is a total hypocrite and should have his title removed. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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| 3rd Nov 2018 2:14 am |
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astonbuilder
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RRSTDV8 wrote:astonbuilder wrote:UK isn't big enough to build all the current
How much room do JLR need? The UK is 93,000 square miles FFS...
Using part of the comment is slightly misleading
They don’t need another UK factory either just to ‘have the room’............. “FFS”
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| 3rd Nov 2018 8:43 am |
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Lets hope we start to see the levels of quality others have coming out of the old east. Skoda being a prime example. New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!)
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