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We do stock Magnatec and lots of other things, once the vote is cast I will look at volume purchasing and sort prices out for the requested products.
The own brand is mostly going to be a trade sale I suspect anyway.Paul Redding
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27th Jul 2013 12:26 pm
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fishinmad wrote:
I buy Castrol Magnatec and OEM filter, replace oil and filter every £6k miles.
Most important thing you do to you car IMHO
I would need to be convinced that any own brand oil would be of the same quality.
But Castrol Edge is a more expensive, "better" oil. So why use Magnatec? Magnatec is specified because, it is very thin, leading to optimal fuel consumption figures (crucial for manufacturers, particularly our big fuel guzzlers). Ask the Opie guys about this - I found them very helpful.
There are better oils, to protect your turbo bearings at 100,000 rpm, and when you turn the engine off and your roasting hot turbo is still spinning. Oil carbonisation is a major cause of turbo failure.
P.S. check this. Different viscosity, but you get my point:
Oh, I didn't think it right or fair to include other sponsors in the survey, no doubt other suppliers and prices exist out there.Paul Redding
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27th Jul 2013 1:44 pm
CUCO
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Note: carácter has done more that 500.000 on single engine and turbo with magnatec. I makes me think is not a bad oil.
27th Jul 2013 1:54 pm
CUCO
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The link of BITOG is about 5w40 (as said) not our recomended viscosity(great page lots of info there, but a must is reading and studying sooo much to learn about oils and to filter the right info) And about viscosity (and changing it from designer prescriptions) watch this videos.
I would not change it from the manufacturer indications unless too much different conditions present(extreme i.e. Minus 20-25 degrees on a regular basis for example)
I say this because many people try to change it to "heavier" to try to protect the engine and they are doing harm to it.
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27th Jul 2013 2:14 pm
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I'm more than happy to buy oil on its specification and price, rather than pretty badge and price.
Trying to find the latest specification for a D4 without resorting to a major brand is almost impossible, but I am willing to try.Land Rover - Turning Drivers into Mechanics Since 1948
Majority comments so far confirm that as owners you want quality over price, but obviously fair pricing
Whats Quality ? to me is it is the surety that I am not risking the engine in a 40 thousand pound vehicle for the sake of a few quid....what beats me is that dealers use Comma oil & worse....LR recommend Castrol....Jaguar recommend the same.....very specific.
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One thing I forgot to ask - Do you buy to the nearest Litre for the job? or 2 cans?
I usually buy 2 x 4 litres for my LR D3
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the exact number of litres in 1 litre plastic bottles of 5W-20 edge for my XK..the 5W-20 is a rare site other than dealers...it thought till I found it at Euorparts....it aint sold at HalfraudsBREXIT - done properly.
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27th Jul 2013 4:41 pm
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Thank you all for your advice and comments.
I have today got a small reduction in our Castrol Magnatec to pass on and have updated our service kit deal to include 8 litres of this. It's also on our website on its own, delivery charges would kill off any benefit when buying it on it's own though so perhaps when you are getting something else from us?
5w20 Is difficult for us in Castrol, we have stock in Granville and will be getting that in in our own range soon.
D4 - What is the recommended oil? Our catalogues show it as 5w30 C1 low saps
Nice to see the majority want something decent though whether it has a brand name or not.
Interesting about the Ester oils, only been asked by scoobydoo owners before for this.
Fuchs - not on our horizon yet - sorry Darrell.Paul Redding
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29th Jul 2013 4:28 pm
epninety
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It's not entirely a straightforward choice for me, but I guess my order of choice is
1. Spec
2. Name
3. Price
So if there's a choice of oils that all meet the spec, I'll choose the one with a name I trust - though I'm not too fussy what the exact name is, IYSWIM.
If there's a choice of 'name' oils, e.g. Castrol vs. Mobil, then I'll trade price vs. name, so I *might* pay a couple of quid more for Mobil over Castrol (for example), but no more than that.
I tend to buy in bulk so I don't have to make the decision whether or not to buy 'budget' oils on Saturday morning when I want to do an oil change. This is pre finding AF of course. Most of the factors I've tried in Pompey over the years either charged a fortune for 'brand' oil or look at you like your mad when you don't want the cheapest bottle on the shelf, or both.
GSF used to sell Fuchs Titan at bargain prices until a few years back, one of my Defender engines has run on nothing else from new, and is the sweetest tdi around with 180k on it (factory crate engine), so another Fuchs fan here. 180k isn't high mileage, but the engine is spotless inside, not the tarry mess that some older tdis can be.
Can't remember whats in the D3 at the moment, probably some version of Shell.
I buy Castrol Magnatec and OEM filter, replace oil and filter every £6k miles.
This may be a little too much for a Disco with service intervals of 14k miles....you may be wasting money & natural resources....(if this means anything to you)
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Most important thing you do to you car
Totally agree - basic maintenance that pays dividends later on in your D3's (or any car engines life)...not changing oil regularly or using cheap oil is just plain negligent
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I would need to be convinced that any own brand oil would be of the same quality.
How would you know with an unbranded product from a dubious source ? the brand name is the data that says its from a reputable supplier...do you really believe whats said from a small insignificant "blender" ? have they got the resources that the larger companies have ? + all the credentials for being there for many years
In reality its the "real world" of having using & having to repair the engine in your D3 that is the "laboratory of real life" that is the deciding factor. You cant put the worn metal back on.
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But Castrol Edge is a more expensive, "better" oil. So why use Magnatec? Magnatec is specified because, it is very thin, leading to optimal fuel consumption figures (crucial for manufacturers, particularly our big fuel guzzlers). Ask the Opie guys about this - I found them very helpful.
not quite true......thinner oil with the same lubricant properties means it gets to the places it has to to at critical times that every time you start your engine.....the thinner oil also does save fuel
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There are better oils, to protect your turbo bearings at 100,000 rpm, and when you turn the engine off and your roasting hot turbo is still spinning. Oil carbonisation is a major cause of turbo failure.
I think you will find that todays oils are far better than even 5 years ago as regards high temperature tolerance...but letting your engine cool down after arduous use is always a good practice (i do this with all the cars I run...even the firms ones)
if you read the thread that this link goes to
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbth...amp;page=1
...it appears the claims are made on a vehicle that is LPG fueled ...that is far kinder to engine oil anyway...the thread actually says this quite clearly
I honestly cant believe that D3 owners really would put "lower cost" oil in a premium vehicle & then expecting the oil to be "the same" & "do" the same job as "regular priced" oils.
& it appals me that some (not all) dealers use "low cost" oils (Comma, Miller's, Carlube etc) when you get your pride & joy serviced there...I have for many years taken the oil I want putting in to the dealer....
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you pay too much, you lose a little money - that's all. When you pay
too little, you sometimes lose everything, because the thing you
bought was incapable of doing the thing it was bought to do. The
common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a
lot - it can't be done. If you deal with the lowest bidder, it is well
to add something for the risk you run, and if you do that you will
have enough to pay for something better.â€
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Question:....would you buy a 2nd hand vehicle if you knew the owner hadnt done the services or used low cost inferior oils ?
you may think it doesn't matter...but if through choice or circumstance you have to keep your vehicle for longer than you thought......you may live to regret it - with your walletBREXIT - done properly.
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Jag XK-but sadly no DIPSTICK...HUGE design fault
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VW Golf wondermobile (?)..has real DIPSTICK
Morris Minor..original DIPSTICK technology..and a real KEY.
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oil is just plain negligent
