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nigelpugh
Member Since: 31 Jan 2005
Location: West Midlands , UK close to LR Solihull!!
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| Petrol in a Diesel HSE - DOH!! |
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Guys,
This is on behalf of a friend of mine.
Yes he did fill it with Petrol not Diesel as it should have been.
Yes he did run the engine and drive it until it stops> oh boy.
Any ideas on what damage may have been done.
We are assuming LR will not honour the warranty.
We are going to drain the tank, then the system, then flush with fresh diesel.
Then refill. We are then going to look at the injectors, and glow plugs.
Any other ideas of what may have got damaged and any other advice would be most welcome.
Of course all I can say is DOH!!
Thanks in advance.
Nigel.
Nigel Pugh Nige - 2014 Disco 4 TDV6 HSE Luxury - Scotia Grey
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 16th Dec 2005 7:44 pm |
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10forcash
Member Since: 09 Jun 2005
Location: Ubique
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Catalytic converter & lambda sensor *may* be damaged or have their life shortened... no way to tell until you run it. if it appears to have less power, change the sensor first. If heat can be felt through the floor above the Cat. - change it!! otherwise engine damage WILL result
Also, don't forget the fuel filter...
It would also be wise to add 0.5 litres of engine oil to the full tank of diesel to re- lubricate the fuel pumps and the injectors
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| 16th Dec 2005 7:50 pm |
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10forcash
Member Since: 09 Jun 2005
Location: Ubique
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also, as it's a common rail system, i'd advise against removing the injectors - they can be an absolute @rse to re-pressurise
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| 16th Dec 2005 7:52 pm |
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Cliff H
Member Since: 27 Oct 2005
Location: Home of the Pork pie and Stilton
Posts: 1304
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ouchhh
I was speaking to a LR technician last week, he said someone had done the same and brought it in for a "patch up" as he would not pay to do the full job.
He said the engine sounded pretty bad with injector and pump damage but was deemed OK to continue driving.
Is there any way you can claim on your car insurance, just a thought. Zermatt silver 06 reg.
Gone but not forgotten !!!
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| 16th Dec 2005 7:52 pm |
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Roddy
Member Since: 18 Apr 2005
Location: Aberdeen
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I know someone who has done the same in a NEW RR. The repair was quoted to me at around £10,000 at the local dealer! Discovery 3 'S' Bonatti Grey.
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| 16th Dec 2005 7:59 pm |
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WOODY179
Member Since: 01 Jun 2005
Location: Chesterfield
Posts: 3634
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Just done a quick search on the internet and found the following thread on another forum. It would appear that this could be rather costly to rectify but it looks like your friend could claim on his insurance to get the engine sorted.
have a look at this link for further info.
http://www.usedcarmart.co.uk/forum/printth...&pp=40 1996 Discovery 1 300TDI ES Biarritz Blue, sold
1999 Discovery 2 TD5 ES Rioja Red, sold
2002 Discovery 2 TD5 ES Buckingham Blue, sold
2005 Discovery 3 TDV6 HSE Adriatic Blue, sold
2006 Discovery 3 TDV6 HSE Zambezi Silver, sold
2011 Discovery 4 SDV6 HSE Nara Bronze, sold
2016 Volvo XC60 D5 AWD Lux Nav Twilight Bronze, sold
2020 Range Rover Evoque P250 First Edition, Nolita grey, sold
2023 Range Rover Evoque P300e Autobiography, Carpathian grey
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| 16th Dec 2005 9:13 pm |
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Mossy
Member Since: 01 Jul 2005
Location: Hollyoaks, UK
Posts: 2682
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If you flick through many of the car forums, this happens more often than you'd think. Why dont they just have different nozzles and filler tops for DERV and Petrol?
It's 2005! It's a low-tech solution and would save people loads of money and distress!  D3 HSE V8...
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| 16th Dec 2005 9:20 pm |
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10forcash
Member Since: 09 Jun 2005
Location: Ubique
Posts: 16534
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TBH, if users are daft enough to do it...
yet another symptom of the nanny state IMHO
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| 16th Dec 2005 9:22 pm |
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Mossy
Member Since: 01 Jul 2005
Location: Hollyoaks, UK
Posts: 2682
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10forcash wrote:TBH, if users are daft enough to do it...
yet another symptom of the nanny state IMHO
I thought you'd logged off? And hey dont  on my invention - off to patent this tomorrow - you'll be laughing when I make my first ten quid!
And we can ALL make mistakes.  D3 HSE V8...
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| 16th Dec 2005 9:26 pm |
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WOODY179
Member Since: 01 Jun 2005
Location: Chesterfield
Posts: 3634
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Mossy wrote:If you flick through many of the car forums, this happens more often than you'd think. Why dont they just have different nozzles and filler tops for DERV and Petrol?
It's 2005! It's a low-tech solution and would save people loads of money and distress!
That would be a good idea and it would appear that it has been researched, presume it has not been implemented due to cost.
See the following
http://www.carpages.co.uk/news/forecourt-o...=972689467 1996 Discovery 1 300TDI ES Biarritz Blue, sold
1999 Discovery 2 TD5 ES Rioja Red, sold
2002 Discovery 2 TD5 ES Buckingham Blue, sold
2005 Discovery 3 TDV6 HSE Adriatic Blue, sold
2006 Discovery 3 TDV6 HSE Zambezi Silver, sold
2011 Discovery 4 SDV6 HSE Nara Bronze, sold
2016 Volvo XC60 D5 AWD Lux Nav Twilight Bronze, sold
2020 Range Rover Evoque P250 First Edition, Nolita grey, sold
2023 Range Rover Evoque P300e Autobiography, Carpathian grey
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| 16th Dec 2005 9:27 pm |
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Mossy
Member Since: 01 Jul 2005
Location: Hollyoaks, UK
Posts: 2682
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WOODY179 wrote:Mossy wrote:If you flick through many of the car forums, this happens more often than you'd think. Why dont they just have different nozzles and filler tops for DERV and Petrol?
It's 2005! It's a low-tech solution and would save people loads of money and distress!
That would be a good idea and it would appear that it has been researched, presume it has not been implemented due to cost.
See the following
http://www.carpages.co.uk/news/forecourt-o...=972689467
! No award for innovation for me then! Back to the drawing board.... hmm "post it notes"? Nah they'd never catch on..... D3 HSE V8...
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| 16th Dec 2005 9:30 pm |
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Cliff H
Member Since: 27 Oct 2005
Location: Home of the Pork pie and Stilton
Posts: 1304
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Mossy wrote:WOODY179 wrote:Mossy wrote:If you flick through many of the car forums, this happens more often than you'd think. Why dont they just have different nozzles and filler tops for DERV and Petrol?
It's 2005! It's a low-tech solution and would save people loads of money and distress!
That would be a good idea and it would appear that it has been researched, presume it has not been implemented due to cost.
See the following
http://www.carpages.co.uk/news/forecourt-o...=972689467
! No award for innovation for me then! Back to the drawing board.... hmm "post it notes"? Nah they'd never catch on.....
Clarkson on top gear had a solution last week.
A light activated box that said something like "this car uses diesel" when you open the fuel flap.
He hit it with a hammer saying people shouldn't be so stupid as to buy diesel cars in the first place. Zermatt silver 06 reg.
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| 16th Dec 2005 9:39 pm |
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Gareth
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Member Since: 07 Dec 2004
Location: Bramhall
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To be absolutely honest, I came within a gnats nuts of doing the same the other day - I stopped at a BP station, and wanted to fill with Ultimate Diesel.
How similar do the Ultimate Unleaded and Ultimate Diesel pumps look? It was not until I read the label attached to the nozzle that I realised I was about to fill with UL 
Could have cost me big time, and I have been using ultimate for a year now! Very easy to make a mistake - be warned.
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| 17th Dec 2005 2:14 am |
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MW
Member Since: 08 Dec 2005
Location: Huntingdon
Posts: 35
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For info - my brother in law works for BP and due to the enourmous amount of people that have mistakenly filled there cars with ultimate diesel rather than unleaded and the other way around they will compensate!! and have done on a number of occaisions.
Also my dad filled his sclass merc up to the top with petrol- drove until it stopped on the A1- the tank was drained, flushed and refilled and it runs no differently. May be his was just lucky. 
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| 17th Dec 2005 10:27 am |
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nigelpugh
Member Since: 31 Jan 2005
Location: West Midlands , UK close to LR Solihull!!
Posts: 215
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| update on petrol in diesel |
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Guys,
Thanks for all the feedback.
We fixed my friends car yesterday.
Basically we drained the entire system of Petrol, by disconectinting the fuel supply line to the fuel rail, removed the fuel pump relay and bridged it.
We then pumped the whole tank dry of the petrol.
The only conceren was if petrol had got itnto the Fuel Burning Heater, so we disconecetd the fule line to that too and drained it.
We assumed that as the engine was run with petrol during the day and that the temp was over 10C the FBH had not kicked in.
We then put another 10 litres of diesel in the tank, and pumped all that through and out of the system.
Finally we reconected the fuel lines, and put 20 litres of fule in the tank, togetether with a high quality diesel cleaning addative.
Some trepidation when we reinstalled the fuel relay, and turned the key for the first time, as we heard the system prime with the diesel.
However one more turn of the key, and she fired into life first time.
It took a few seconds for the system to sort it self out, and settle to an idle, but once it did it ran fine.
We let her run for about 10 mins, during which time the FBH kicked in with the usual puff of smoke and gurgles etc.
We did a quick road test and she now seems to run fine, in fact it seems quicker and more lively than before.
So thanks again for all the help, and we can breathe a sigh of relief.
All the best.
Nigel. Nige - 2014 Disco 4 TDV6 HSE Luxury - Scotia Grey
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| 18th Dec 2005 10:03 am |
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