fat bloke
Member Since: 07 Aug 2006
Location: OXFORD
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Yes you are right was cumnor, nearly all the staff have moved on now 
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peteyd
Member Since: 08 Mar 2016
Location: South Bucks
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Whether we think JLR are getting things right is one thing, but it is reported they are planning on cutting production of FFRR, DS and Evoque. This is being blamed on diesel and Brexit - too much to hope that they are secretly making capacity space for a UK-built Defender...?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42779699 MY16 D4 Graphite in Loire Blue
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| 22nd Jan 2018 10:44 pm |
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markate
Member Since: 17 Sep 2011
Location: England
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Production cuts at the moment only affect Halewood so not FFRR. Halewood can only build vehicles based on one platform - so couldn't build a new Defender there without significant investment in new production facilities.
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| 22nd Jan 2018 10:51 pm |
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peteyd
Member Since: 08 Mar 2016
Location: South Bucks
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Sorry, misread the article, it indeed doesn't mention the FFRR, just the Evoque and DS.
Interesting then that the two small cars are being scaled back. I would have thought that diesel concerns would have affected the bigger/thirstier cars. MY16 D4 Graphite in Loire Blue
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| 22nd Jan 2018 10:55 pm |
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jimbg
Member Since: 19 Apr 2013
Location: UK
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Red Merle wrote:
They strike me as better built and more reliable than most and as long as I’ve been fair when there has been an issue, they’ve been better than any other manufacturer that I’ve dealt with before (having pretty lost count of them since 1981!).
My first car was back in 1968 ( yes I am old  ) and I certainly have owned some flakey cars in the past!
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| 22nd Jan 2018 11:23 pm |
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Grianaig
Member Since: 08 Jul 2014
Location: Tyne and Wear
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My first LR purchase was a S2a in 1971. Never had any other make as my personal car since then. So doubtful logic suggests you are three years older than me, Jimbg.  according to my wife no one is older than me. 2014 MY Discovery XS Indus Silver. Sadly gone. Second last LR of forty eight years continuous ownership.
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| 22nd Jan 2018 11:37 pm |
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Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
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jimbg wrote:My first car was back in 1968 ( yes I am old )
Grianaig wrote:My first LR purchase was a S2a in 1971. Never had any other make as my personal car since then.
Blimey! 2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: FL2 as a second car
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
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| 23rd Jan 2018 1:31 am |
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Moo
D3 Decade
Member Since: 13 Aug 2010
Location: Wiltshire
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jimbg wrote:Have to say I have owned LR cars since 2006 and I have never had a major problem. Mind you that is now the kiss of death on that!
So far and it only 10 months the only problems with the D5 have been niggling problems with the infotainment system but that applies to all current JLR products.
My old bus is the most ridiculously reliable car ever. If I had just run it and never found this Forum, I'd have though LR were the most reliable cars made. New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!)
Sold Volvo XC90 R-Design (known as Basil)
Sold - D4 HSE (Known as Gerty)
No longer the Old Buses original owner 
231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
V8 Front brakes
BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
EGRs blanked
T-Max split charge
Hanibal Expeedition rack
Prospeed ladder
Duratrac tyres
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| 23rd Jan 2018 9:17 am |
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Tripe
Member Since: 28 Jun 2015
Location: Tasmania
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DG wrote:Land Rover don't have a major problem at all ...they are clear where it sits in their strategy and they are clear that it's a move away from the traditional tonka D3\4...and the sales figures are pretty healthy considering it's such a 'bad', 'ugly' motor.
Many current D3\4 owners who don't get the strategy change do have the problem ...they see the D5 in isolation of the plan and are uninterested in where it sits in it, because in their minds it had to do the job of a direct replacement. That was never the intention.
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The D5, should be called "the vehicle that LR can't mention in monthly sales
Figures"
I would have more chance of seeing a living DODO this week
Than see a new D5 on the road.
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| 23rd Jan 2018 9:31 am |
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Farmer Chalk
Member Since: 07 Mar 2013
Location: Independent Republic of Kentishshire.
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Well you want to come to South London soon.... we are all hoping to see sight of a new white one soon... 
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| 23rd Jan 2018 9:41 am |
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Tripe
Member Since: 28 Jun 2015
Location: Tasmania
Posts: 285
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I lived in the UK, in the 90's
I couldn't believe it, you guys drank Fosters
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| 23rd Jan 2018 10:22 am |
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Disco_Mikey
Member Since: 29 May 2007
Location: Dundee, Scotland
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peteyd wrote:Sorry, misread the article, it indeed doesn't mention the FFRR, just the Evoque and DS.
Interesting then that the two small cars are being scaled back. I would have thought that diesel concerns would have affected the bigger/thirstier cars.
If you can afford £60k upwards on a new car, diesel and road tax is likely to be the least of your worries My D3 Build Thread
TDV8 Retrofit Build Thread
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| 23rd Jan 2018 10:23 am |
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fat bloke
Member Since: 07 Aug 2006
Location: OXFORD
Posts: 1243
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Thought the new Defender was going to be built in eastern Europe?
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| 23rd Jan 2018 9:29 pm |
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RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
Location: Here
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The Defender is going to be made in Slovakia. Makes sense really - if the workforce isn't allowed in to fortress UK post-Brexit, then send the work out to the workforce. As no Brummies will be involved in building it, the Defender should be the best built and most reliable LR product ever! Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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| 23rd Jan 2018 9:35 pm |
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Bello35
Member Since: 14 Mar 2017
Location: Bretagne.
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We cannot deny that the D5 position on the market is unsustainable. New ones are not selling well whatever the reasons are. Used ones are hard to shift and losing value rapidly, it's a fact. Potential buyers have a sword of Damocles hanging over their heads because of rumours of a new design (back end), for the "mark II", in which case would plummet the value of the "mark I" in case they bought it...
What's the solution?
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| 24th Jan 2018 6:56 pm |
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