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Gearbox oil change part of service?
Hello all,
I know that many of you recommend changing the oil in the automatic gearbox every 3-4 years (depending on mileage of course). I fully agree with this, and I do this on my LRs.
BUT... when I bought my 3 LRs, they were all second hand, and I discovered too my expense, that it was already too late to save the gearboxes.
I have now had them all refurbished.
Well... yesterday I was at LR collecting my RRS as they had just programmed the Mechatronic, and I was talking to the mechanic and I mentioned that I thought that it was really bad that LR don't state an oil change is required on the RRS.
He couldn't believe this, so he checked on their system, and discovered that LR DO recommend changing the oil, but only after 10 years, or after 250000Km!!!
Do they REALLY think that this is sufficient??
Do they still, on the newer vehicles, say the same??
26th Mar 2019 4:16 pm
Disco_Mikey
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Just dropped my new-to-me D3 up to Bristol Transmission today for a full box and converter rebuild. It’s 14 years old with 135K on the clock and doesn’t look like it’s ever had the oil change. No wonder it gave up on me!2022 BMW i4 M50. Bought Oct 2022. 10,200 miles and counting...
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This is what I meant. WHY didn't LR include the transmission oil in the service schedule properly!! I would save us all quite a lot of worry, and money!!
26th Mar 2019 5:20 pm
Disco_Mikey
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At least the 8 speed owners are beginning to see that flushes are now essential to keep the gearbox healthy.
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nebc100 wrote:
This is what I meant. WHY didn't LR include the transmission oil in the service schedule properly!! I would save us all quite a lot of worry, and money!!
Other manufacturers guilty of this too, not just LR. This "filled for life malarkey" was and is complete and utter tripe which has meant the premature death of many auto boxes.
As DM say's change at 50 to 75k. And then every 40k after that yµ (idµ - eAµ) ψ=mψ
26th Mar 2019 6:59 pm
DIY Ace
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I had a great conversation with the engineer today at BT and he says that ZF do not put a ‘Filled for life’ flag on their transmissions. They are supplied blank to the manufacturers who then put their own recommendations on them. The same boxes go to different manufacturers who then put different recommendations on them based on what they need. He reckons that ZF actually advise 60K intervals but that the manufacturers can make up their own recommendations as it is them (manufacturer) who offers the warranty.
The cynic in me believes that the ‘filled for life’ label is there merely to get them beyond the warranty period, after which neither the dealer nor the manufacturer nor ZF themselves has any liability. If they gave the right advice on day one they would find people scoffing at the service costs on their cars.
The engineer today did note that one of the only manufacturers who actually make their own gearboxes - Mercedes - are one of the only few who actually formally recommend flushing. That’s because they know their reputation is at stake if they go wrong. It’s got their name on it. No one else seems to care, on the presumption that if it gets through the warranty period then they’ve kept to their end of the bargain.
I’m sure that if my box had been flushed twice now (at 60K and 120K) then I wouldn’t now be spending nearly £3K on a new box and converter.2022 BMW i4 M50. Bought Oct 2022. 10,200 miles and counting...
2014 BMW 435d convertible. Bought July 2021. 58,000 miles and counting...
2005 Discovery 3 HSE Auto. Bought Feb 2019. 169,000 miles and counting...
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The cynic in me believes that the ‘filled for life’ label is there merely to get them beyond the warranty period, after which neither the dealer nor the manufacturer nor ZF themselves has any liability. If they gave the right advice on day one they would find people scoffing at the service costs on their cars.
This is correct. The Td5 was one of the most expensive cars to lease, due to 12k servicing intervals, as well as a major service (gearbox, transfer box, diff oils) every 24k milesMy D3 Build Thread
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I also think they don’t want the dealers to need flushing machines which will only get used on old cars. If the owner chooses to pay for it to be used.
By 10 years old they are unlikely to be taken to a dealer.
26th Mar 2019 10:23 pm
Steamyrotter
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Disco_Mikey wrote:
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The cynic in me believes that the ‘filled for life’ label is there merely to get them beyond the warranty period, after which neither the dealer nor the manufacturer nor ZF themselves has any liability. If they gave the right advice on day one they would find people scoffing at the service costs on their cars.
This is correct. The Td5 was one of the most expensive cars to lease, due to 12k servicing intervals, as well as a major service (gearbox, transfer box, diff oils) every 24k miles
Had this exact same conversation with BMW with my now defunct X5.
They said "Sealed for life" is for the life of the vehicle.
Asked the obvious next question.... "What is your view of life"
Apparently for BMW its 6 years or 75000 miles
Seems to differ slightly from my definition!If things were meant to be easy, then I will soon complicate them....
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27th Mar 2019 2:22 pm
nebc100
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I don't know... I think that the life of an average X5 SHOULD be no more than 5 years!! That way we can get as many as possible BMWs off the roads"
27th Mar 2019 4:16 pm
DIY Ace
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Perhaps a good way to encourage the manufacturers to extend the ‘useful’ life of their vehicles is to link the energy rating/environmental rating to the longevity of the vehicle? Surely a clean new car being scrapped after six years is no more efficient than an dirty old car that runs for 20 years?
Considering the manufacturing costs, recycling, logistics, paints, and so on, I cannot believe that recycling newer cars is any more environmentally friendly that buying a decently made car and running it for 20 years.
Car manufacturers should be made to ensure that their parts and vehicles are designed for purpose and don’t fall apart after the three year warranty runs out. A fit-for-purpose car that is properly maintained should be serviceable for at least 20 years in my book. My D3 is 14 years old and I’m prepared to spend money maintaining it to keep I going for at least the next five.2022 BMW i4 M50. Bought Oct 2022. 10,200 miles and counting...
2014 BMW 435d convertible. Bought July 2021. 58,000 miles and counting...
2005 Discovery 3 HSE Auto. Bought Feb 2019. 169,000 miles and counting...
2009 Freelander 2 XS Manual. Bought Sep 2013. SOLD Aug 2021 (already regretted!)
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