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gstuart
 


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towing question

really sorry about such a dim question but can’t get my head round towing weights etc

see the D3 has a towing capacity of 3500 kg or 3.5 tons so does that mean i can tow a caravan up to 3.5ton

then reading it says kerb weight and 85% of the caravans weight

trying to compare in what the max weight of caravan i could tow with a D3 and a freelander 1 TD4

sincere apologises again as i imagine this has been done to death Whistle
   
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Freelander 1's have a weight limit of about 1800 kgs i think so that's a fair size twin axle caravan you could tow with it and i dont think there is a caravan that weighs any where near what a disco 3 can tow on british roads but as always i do stand to be corrected Thumbs Up
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gstuart
 


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hi

bless u for the help Bow down

ah i see, so when it says towing limit u don’t have to include the weight of the vehicle in the calculation

ref the freelander 1 and capacity of 1800kgs , pretty sure the caravan only weighs 800kgs unloaded

indeed ref the D3 would be a pretty big caravan if it weighed 3500kgs Thumbs Up

thks again Bow down
   
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The VIN plate on the vehicle will show the max train weight , ie vehicle and trailer which on my D3 is 6730kg . 3230kg Vehicle and 3500kg trailer. Make sure you have a driving licence to include towing if you are up to these weights.
  
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gstuart
 


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many thks for the great info

making a lot more sense now Thumbs Up

passed my test around 1986 , is there a separate trailer test u now have to take then
   
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If you passed your car test before January 1997 you got B+E entitlement (car and trailer) at the same time. If you passed after 01/01/1997 you have to do a separate test to get the full entitlement.

More here: https://www.gov.uk/towing-with-car
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gstuart wrote:
would be a pretty big caravan if it weighed 3500kgs


or my SWMBO packing "necessaries" in one.
  
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The 85% rule is simple multiply the kerb weight of your discovery (around 2500kg) by 0.85 this will give you the weight you can tow (2125kg), there should be a sticker somewhere on your caravan often in the gas locker and beside the door which will tell you the weight of your caravan but I don’t think it will be anywhere near the 2125kg the disco 3 can tow
  
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The 85% rule is simple multiply the kerb weight of your discovery (around 2500kg) by 0.85 this will give you the weight you can tow (2125kg), there should be a sticker somewhere on your caravan often in the gas locker and beside the door which will tell you the weight of your caravan but I don’t think it will be anywhere near the 2125kg the disco 3 can tow


Err no, assuming you have the appropriate licence you can tow up to 3.5t with a D3/4, the 85% rule is not a rule but a recommendation based on as far as I can see zero evidence.
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gstuart
 


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Hardware17 wrote:
gstuart wrote:
would be a pretty big caravan if it weighed 3500kgs


or my SWMBO packing "necessaries" in one.


that really made me laugh , multiple cases for a 2 x day trip Rolling with laughter
   
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Houghta
 


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Sorry for my poor choice in terminaology you are correct it is a recommendation but as the 85% was mentioned I thought I would explain how it worked and yes you can tow up to 3500kg with the discovery 3 but I doubt even an airstream is going to be that heavy, as far as what it’s based on I think was devised to allow less experienced towers to be able to tow comfortably within the capabilities of their vehicle with less chance of the tail wagging the dog so to speak
  
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gstuart
 


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Houghta wrote:
The 85% rule is simple multiply the kerb weight of your discovery (around 2500kg) by 0.85 this will give you the weight you can tow (2125kg), there should be a sticker somewhere on your caravan often in the gas locker and beside the door which will tell you the weight of your caravan but I don’t think it will be anywhere near the 2125kg the disco 3 can tow


many thks and makes a lot of sense with u explaining it like that , not my caravan was trying to work out the difference in towing capability between the D3 and a freelander 1 td4

caravan weighs 800kgs unladen so indeed looks like both are well capable Thumbs Up
   
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Houghta wrote:
Sorry for my poor choice in terminaology you are correct it is a recommendation but as the 85% was mentioned I thought I would explain how it worked and yes you can tow up to 3500kg with the discovery 3 but I doubt even an airstream is going to be that heavy, as far as what it’s based on I think was devised to allow less experienced towers to be able to tow comfortably within the capabilities of their vehicle with less chance of the tail wagging the dog so to speak


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Ours is full sized TA and even with it being up-plated to maximum payload its still only 1800kg, on the other hand our livestock trailer is 3.5T fully laden, sometimes a bit more Embarassed
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Mogwyth wrote:
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The 85% rule is simple multiply the kerb weight of your discovery (around 2500kg) by 0.85 this will give you the weight you can tow (2125kg), there should be a sticker somewhere on your caravan often in the gas locker and beside the door which will tell you the weight of your caravan but I don’t think it will be anywhere near the 2125kg the disco 3 can tow


Err no, assuming you have the appropriate licence you can tow up to 3.5t with a D3/4, the 85% rule is not a rule but a recommendation based on as far as I can see zero evidence.


cheers for all this great info, i just couldn’t get my head round it when i started reading several web sites regarding towing and what weights u could and couldn’t tow that were within a safe limit

makes sense with that 85% range to make driving a lot safer and not overloading the caravan causing it to become unstable

never towed a caravan on the motorway , but seen a good few snake and loose control in front of me

have a 12 s and 12 n sockets fitted , would just have to get a proper tow bar fitted like a witter etc , read mixed reviews ref the detachable towbar
   
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Mogwyth
 


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Important things for stability dont overload your caravan (plate should tell you that), correct noseweight, caravan tyres pressures, appropriate speed particularly on bends and down hill, big vehicles and if windy sudden gusts particularly through breaks in roadside cover.
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00 Hymer B564 Lionheart
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