rowlejohn
Member Since: 15 Sep 2017
Location: Montmorillon, Vienne (86)
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Hi Guys....Travelled back from France to the UK yesterday in the 2008, Disco 3,HSE, Auto.Went like a dream for over 560km from mid France to Dieppe and from Newhaven up the M40 to just past High Wycombe where "Transmission fault" appeared on the dash display and a few seconds later there was the sound of metal hitting, I presume the bell housing. The engine died and managed to coast onto the hard shoulder. The smell of burning or hot ATF became present in the car. Tried to start the engine and all I could hear was the sound of the starter motor spinning away but the engine not turning over. Waited a couple of hours for recovery and the car is being taken to a garage in N.Wales for gearbox (Incl. Transfer box) replacement.
I feel the auto box is totally wrecked and a good chance that the Flex drive plate/flywheel has broken due to the fact that the starter turns but the engine doesn't. The EML is lit.
Where is the CPS located, is it on the flex disc or elsewhere ? because if it's at the flywheel end maybe it could also be damaged.
Any thoughts or comments appreciated.
PS the Auto box was flushed and filled with Mannol AG55 ATF and a new filter fitted about 25K miles ago and has been running fine. No signs of ATF fluid loss when the car broke down or since the gearbox service.  Relocated to Mid France from N. Wales March 2021
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3.9 SE Classic
3.5 V8 Disco
4.6 P38 HSE
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 15th Feb 2021 9:52 pm |
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Pete K
Member Since: 15 Jan 2016
Location: GL
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Crank sensor is on the flywheel
I’d be worried about engine failure.
Cambelt or crank
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| 15th Feb 2021 10:01 pm |
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aja4x4
Member Since: 14 Apr 2019
Location: Westbury
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Does sound like an engine failure Andrew
D3 2.7tdv6 2005
D4 3.0 SDV6 Commercial died and gone to LR heaven
D5 3.0 SDV6 HSE
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| 15th Feb 2021 10:11 pm |
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rowlejohn
Member Since: 15 Sep 2017
Location: Montmorillon, Vienne (86)
Posts: 214
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Thanks for quick responses Guys.
I was thinking along the lines of the gearbox suddenly seizing and possibly causing the flex plate to break up. The cambelt (Dayco) together with the HFP belt were changed around 50K miles ago. Why did the sudden smell of burnt ATF appear ?
No doubt all will be revealed when the boxes are removed from the engine in a couple of days.
When the recovery truck came, I couldn't move the gear selector from Park, took hell of a pull on the release cable to get Neutral before being winched onto the truck Relocated to Mid France from N. Wales March 2021
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Previous Landies
3.9 SE Classic
3.5 V8 Disco
4.6 P38 HSE
L322 Vogue HSE
TD4 ES Freelander 1
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| 15th Feb 2021 10:37 pm |
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Pete K
Member Since: 15 Jan 2016
Location: GL
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Oil pump covers fail resulting in the cambelt tensioner pushing out the front and cambelt cover cracking. So that’s obvious if you look for it.
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| 15th Feb 2021 10:50 pm |
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rowlejohn
Member Since: 15 Sep 2017
Location: Montmorillon, Vienne (86)
Posts: 214
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The car has been dropped off at the garage this morning by the recovery people. I am going down there this afternoon to see them. Early days as I don't expect they have yet made a start on it. Will get them to try turning the engine over by hand when they get it up on the hoist.
They have diagnostics so that may guide them with any logged faults (Engine wise). I know that it has the later type oil pump fitted.
Will update as and when I get further information.  Relocated to Mid France from N. Wales March 2021
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Previous Landies
3.9 SE Classic
3.5 V8 Disco
4.6 P38 HSE
L322 Vogue HSE
TD4 ES Freelander 1
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| 16th Feb 2021 1:54 pm |
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rowlejohn
Member Since: 15 Sep 2017
Location: Montmorillon, Vienne (86)
Posts: 214
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UPDATE
Went to the garage to be "Officially" told that the engine is totally shot, probably due to fracture of the lower timing belt tensioner despite the oil pump being the later type which to me throws cold water on the hype about fitting the later type pump.
They recommended, if I decide not to scrap the car, which I have decided lives on, to go for a used, preferably LR engine, not Jag due to all the stripping and refitting of parts which takes time and not to go for a reconditioned unit as they have been failing due to poor quality bearings (Chinese or similar ??) being used. New engines or short engines are not available.
So, I am scouring the web looking at low mileage complete, or almost, Disco or RR sport units.Obviously whatever I buy will have a new timing and HPFP belt kit fitted and preferably be Euro 4 with as many ancillaries left on as possible.
Body off fitting, including the replacement gearboxes I have will be £1500, including oils & filters etc plus I have to supply the engine.
Any tips on what to look for with the engine would be appreciated Guys.
Can't start on the car for a couple of weeks due to them being busy as the 2 post lift will be taken out of action whilst my job is being done.
The garage is purely LR with everything from S2's to Overfinch Rangies in the yard and workshop Relocated to Mid France from N. Wales March 2021
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Previous Landies
3.9 SE Classic
3.5 V8 Disco
4.6 P38 HSE
L322 Vogue HSE
TD4 ES Freelander 1
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| 16th Feb 2021 8:36 pm |
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aja4x4
Member Since: 14 Apr 2019
Location: Westbury
Posts: 2459
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What later pump was fitted was it a genuine one? Andrew
D3 2.7tdv6 2005
D4 3.0 SDV6 Commercial died and gone to LR heaven
D5 3.0 SDV6 HSE
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| 16th Feb 2021 8:40 pm |
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Pete K
Member Since: 15 Jan 2016
Location: GL
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I thought engines were available for £4000 from Lr
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| 16th Feb 2021 8:49 pm |
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nigethecat
Member Since: 11 Sep 2016
Location: Marnoch
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How many did you buy ?  ... "now saying out of stock" I want to see the sweets before I get into your windowless van... I'm not stupid!
Corris Grey D4 Commercial SE 2016
Zermatt Sliver 2007 D3 SE manual (gone)
Indus Silver D4 HSE 2015 (gone)
Bonatti Grey D3 HSE 2006 (gone)
White D3 S (LHD) 2007 (gone)
Firenze Red D4 HSE 2014 (gone)
Black RRS 3.6TDV8 2008 (gone)
Rusty Green Defender 110 1997 (gone)
Black FL2 HSE 2013 (gone)
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| 16th Feb 2021 9:18 pm |
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Motolab
Member Since: 18 Oct 2019
Location: Sleen
Posts: 1815
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Jag engine is maybe some extra work in changing some stuff out.... it is far less work then to build up a short block..... since that is 100% the same between the two “brands”
Jag engine’s can be found with far less miles on them than the most land rovers with good engines..
So what you can loose on time, you can win on an fresher engine.. imho..
One day extra work is not that much money (with such a whole project in mind..) when it gives you lets say 100k mls less
Been there done it..
Good luck with your choice Best regards
Harold
Always looking for Pre '55's & Pre war British Motorcycles! knowing or having one for sale? PM please. I visit the UK 6 times a year
Ps. I edit my texts quite often, english is not my native language, so I will edit My “typo’s” etc. 
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| 16th Feb 2021 9:21 pm |
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rowlejohn
Member Since: 15 Sep 2017
Location: Montmorillon, Vienne (86)
Posts: 214
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aja4x4 wrote:What later pump was fitted was it a genuine one?
Fitted by Stratstone Land Rover, 2017 during Timing belt change at 96K according to the LR history.
I replaced the belts (Timing, fuel pump and Serpentine (Alternator etc plus water pump) with a Dayco full kit including tensioner (top) at 150K and before you ask, used the correct locking tools and the car started and ran perfectly afterwards. I can't imagine LR used a spurious ( Foreign  ) oil pump to save money !! Car has done 187K to date and has oil & filter changes every 5K miles-6K at the most using Mahle filters and Mannol fully synthetic oil which is far less mileage between oil/filter changes than the interval stated in the service book. The air and pollen filters are changed every other oil change 10-12K intervals. Car has never used or lost oil between changes, level checked weekly and never required topping up. Relocated to Mid France from N. Wales March 2021
Rovacomlite and IDD/ SSD diagnostics user
Previous Landies
3.9 SE Classic
3.5 V8 Disco
4.6 P38 HSE
L322 Vogue HSE
TD4 ES Freelander 1
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| 16th Feb 2021 10:12 pm |
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lynalldiscovery
Member Since: 22 Dec 2009
Location: Maidstone
Posts: 7274
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Have you actually seen the broken pump with your own eyes?
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| 16th Feb 2021 10:15 pm |
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John C
Member Since: 28 Aug 2007
Location: East Yorkshire
Posts: 3292
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You were lucky you broke down in the UK. Lot of the small print in European Recovery states that if the cost of recovering your car to the UK is more than the value of the car, then they wouldn't do it... was always a bit of a nervous point when we took our D3 to France twice a year that it would effectively be written off (ancient high miler, but superb condition) on a breakdown. 2020 SDV6 D5 HSE, Carpathian Grey +
2022 Tesla Model Y LR... almost Carpathian Grey
Previously : 2005 TDV6 SE Auto, Cairns Blue (288K) - ours for 16 years
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