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Trolley Jack advice please ...
Hi all,
If the D3 weighs 2461kg, would I need to buy a 2.5 metric tonne trolley jack to lift it?
Stupid question, but when I lift one wheel off the ground, I'm not actually lifting the complete weight am I?
So could I use a smaller one? What size do you guys use?
(I'm thinking just wheel change's etc)
Thank you Paramedic, Father, Dog lover and Husband ... in no particular order!
19th Jun 2010 11:37 pm
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Yes, you can use a smaller one, but most people have been going for the Clarke 3tonne hi lift one. Not the QL or QuickLift one as that bends apparently.
Personally I've been struggling with a 2tonne one, not striggling because ofthe weight so much, but because of how high the car needs to be jacked up. So I have to work out some interesting jacking strategies to get it high enough to put my proper axe stands under Bodsys Brake Bible
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19th Jun 2010 11:41 pm
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Thanks bodsy
As a matter of interest ... when the garage changed my tyres they told me to turn on the hazard lights, and open (and leave open) the top tailgate - they said it did something to the suspension!!
I looked it up in the manaul under wheel changing - couldn't find anything
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19th Jun 2010 11:48 pm
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It's to try to stop the air suspension going crazy when you lift the wheel up. I've never had a problem with mone, but I know that some have. Bodsys Brake Bible
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19th Jun 2010 11:50 pm
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Well thanks again Paramedic, Father, Dog lover and Husband ... in no particular order!
19th Jun 2010 11:52 pm
Trackman
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Apparently, its not in my manual, if you do something like put the car in reverse and leave the tail gate open, the car will know its being jacked and lift the wheel that is being jacked rather than lower it.
Not tried this but have seen comment on this site.
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19th Jun 2010 11:53 pm
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There's loads of different methods I've seen used, I think essentially if you have a door open, the height of the suspension wont chnage (although mine does if the boot only is open) I'd have to have one of the normal doors open for it to stop working on mine Bodsys Brake Bible
About the only way I know that really keeps the suspension from doing something - anything - is to disconnect the battery.
I have had doors and tail gate open and engine off, and then when jacking, the air let out of all four corners and the 3 came down. I really do not know why, but it scared me.
As best I can determine the downward movement had something to do with the auto level circuit waking up just as I was jacking - just bad timing - but possible at any time.
By disconnecting the battery, the front, rear, and compressor valve blocks are de-energized. As such, the valves fail closed. That tends to lock whatever air is in the springs, in them. it also kills the auto level program as there is no power to the air suspension computer.
The bigger the trolley jack the better, as jacking height, not weight, is the requirement
I have changing the front wheels down to pretty much an art - jack the 3 at the frame behind the front wheel with a trolly jack until it feels that you have the 3 up kind of enough to take the weight off the wheel. I also have a baby 1 ton hydraulic jack that I then insert under the wheel A arm. There is a dimple in the A arm that the 1/2" piston just fits into. I then lift the wheel to where the rubber is just off the ground - usually less than an inch of jacking is required and very little force is put on the A arm.
Then I remove the wheel and then by playing with the baby jack, I can easily adjust the hub height so that the new wheel goes on with virtually no lifting of the replacement wheel.
The rear is a different story - I do much the same, but it is not easy like the front - no real good place for the baby jack, and heights seem to be higher and it is harder to place the jacks and see what is going on.2005 LR3 HSE 4.4L AJ-V8 petrol; Traxide Dual Battery; PIAA 2500K Yellow Ion H11 Fog Light bulbs; CounterAct LT-2 Capacitive Corrosion control; LLumar AIR80 Blue clear Infra Red blocking side window film; Liftgate manual release; Schrader Valve "air in" mod to OEM air suspension reservoir tank; Akebono ceramic pads; OEM solid vented discs; LR4 design hitch receiver; Wiggs D4 MOST bluetooth module; Clock on the Dash; 3 Flash signal light mod; Backup Camera; 2015/16 Nav Data update.
20th Jun 2010 3:45 am
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Costco do a great jack for about £70 wjhich has both the lift capability and the height. It is bloomin heavy though!
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20th Jun 2010 7:42 am
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I have a Sealy 3T High Lift.
Excellent sturdy bit of kit and as said above it is not just the weight but also the height of lift that is important with the D3
20th Jun 2010 7:57 am
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I manage very nicely with a 2.5t not-very-high-lift, 'cos I don't believe in jacking the chassis.
If you jack the wishbones / lower suspension mount you only need about 2" of lift. See gallery.
I checked with LR service manager, and was advised that this is correct for jacking with trolley jack.Long succession of Disco's since 2001...
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20th Jun 2010 3:01 pm
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Bodsy wrote:
Yes, you can use a smaller one, but most people have been going for the Clarke 3tonne hi lift one. Not the QL or QuickLift one as that bends apparently.
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