mcsimmo
Member Since: 08 Aug 2011
Location: North of the south
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| Tut tut. We are the worst offenders it seems. |
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http://www.milenco.com/products/mirrors/news/ Man with no D3 anymore, but cant leave the forum....how sad.
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GoBeyond
Member Since: 12 Jan 2009
Location: Eddleston
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-1 I'm Discovery owner with Milenco Grand Aero  There is no such thing as bad weather, only the wrong clothes.
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| 4th May 2014 12:44 pm |
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DG
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Member Since: 12 Dec 2005
Location: The Gaff
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Quote:The most common vehicle seen unlawfully towing without mirrors was the Land Rover Discovery.
A significant number of vulnerable road users such as cyclist and Motorcyclist have been killed and or injured by caravanners not using Towing Mirrors.
I would challenge that  21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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| 4th May 2014 12:46 pm |
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DG
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The strange thing is there is no trace of this case on the ASA website
http://www.asa.org.uk/Rulings/Adjudication...rs#results 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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| 4th May 2014 1:11 pm |
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dubbs
Member Since: 18 Apr 2012
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I'd also argue they're not "blind" either as you can see quite a lot - in fact I can see "enough" that I could do without tow mirrors if I really needed to - not that I do, I use Milenco Grande Aero convex which give me a much larger field of view.
I would challenge their evidence of LR being worst offenders, to say so I'd assume they'd need to keep evidence of the count? MY15 DIY Black Pack (Better than factory and half the price!)
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| 4th May 2014 2:52 pm |
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Gareth
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Member Since: 07 Dec 2004
Location: Bramhall
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Ok, I am guilty. I have been towing for years without using extension mirrors. However, I have just bought some mirrors because the new caravan does not have a rear window, and I can no longer see through the caravan.
I find the D4 mirrors are ok for towing, but the extension mirrors I have just bought do allow me to see more.
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| 4th May 2014 2:54 pm |
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Kingmav66
Member Since: 20 Jul 2010
Location: Gloucestershire
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There's always one
 
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| 4th May 2014 2:58 pm |
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Washwipe
Member Since: 19 Apr 2013
Location: Bucks Oxon Herts Border
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Unless I can see down the side of the van I'm not comfortable, only recently I was behind a motor cyclist coming up behind a caravan, the motor cyclist started to pull out to overtake and was just by the offside rear of the caravan when the caravan also started to pull out to overtake, Toyota Land Cruiser towing a Bailey Unicorn with no mirrors, no way could he see down the side of his van, as I pulled out to overtake him it wasn't until I was in the middle of lane two before I could see his off side mirror, so I know he couldn't have seen me till then.
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| 4th May 2014 3:13 pm |
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Tangsoodo
Member Since: 26 Jan 2013
Location: Worcester
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Gareth wrote:Ok, I am guilty. I have been towing for years without using extension mirrors.
I think we have our sacrificial lamb. As a forum we can tell the powers that be that we have completed a full internal investigation and taken the appropriate action. We have sent Gareth to the Russian front or made him buy an X5 or whatever the latest punishment would be. Mods:
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| 4th May 2014 3:37 pm |
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rockcrawler
Member Since: 31 Oct 2012
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Kingmav66 wrote:There's always one
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| 4th May 2014 5:12 pm |
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Simes
Member Since: 10 Apr 2014
Location: Leics
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| 4th May 2014 7:49 pm |
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D4mation
Member Since: 29 Jul 2011
Location: Ruralshire
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There's no way you can achieve the correct rearward view from the majority of cars, including the Discovery, without towing mirrors of some sort.
http://www.caravantimes.co.uk/features/art...380477.htm
The problem we have is that there are many people who have been battered by the media into believing that 4x4 owners are responsible for most accidents involving caravans - witness the number of comments on caravan forums where some folk reckon they have seen "many" overturned caravans and nearly always it's a 4x4, particularly a Discovery, involved in the accident. MY12 D4 HSE Ipanema Sand
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| 5th May 2014 12:34 pm |
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mcsimmo
Member Since: 08 Aug 2011
Location: North of the south
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I have to agree that I dont think we are the worst offenders.
I would like to nominate Ford Mondeo caravaners. I've based my extensive research on travelling along the M62 yesterday for 40 minutes. I saw no Discovery's without extra towing mirrors, and 2 Mondeo's. As a runner up I saw 1 Vauxhall Insignia estate with out towing mirrors.
How much more extensive does my research have to be? Man with no D3 anymore, but cant leave the forum....how sad.
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| 5th May 2014 12:36 pm |
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NoDo$h
Member Since: 02 May 2006
Location: Finding new and exciting ways to milk badgers.
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 tin-tent tuggers........ I know it's not considered "kind" to say no these days, but no. Just no, ok? And if it's not ok, still no.
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| 5th May 2014 1:25 pm |
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therso
Member Since: 01 Dec 2010
Location: Here!
Posts: 368
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Mine's the only thing I can comfortably tug for pleasure these days
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| 5th May 2014 4:36 pm |
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