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RickyAtHere
 


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Canada 2005 LR3 4.4 V8 SE Auto Zambezi SilverLR3
Vibration After installing new rear prop shaft

My old rear prop shaft has some play in the CV joint and make some clunk noise, I installed a BritPart GKN rear prop shaft. Then the disco starts to have vibration from about 50MPH Shocked , and gets really bad after 65 MPH Big Cry , was thinking maybe some imbalance from transfercase and rear differential? So I rotated the prop shaft and remount it to the transfer case flange, did this several times, but not too much difference... should I rotate the shaft 90 degrees and remount the rear flange to differential? Or it is just a faulty new GKN prop shaft from BritPart... if so, maybe I would send it to a balancing shop instead of returning it to UK from CANADA. Any opinions? Dose the relative angle between transfer case flange to diff flange matter that much?
  
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Bardley
 


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United Kingdom 2011 Discovery 4 3.0 TDV6 HSE Auto Santorini BlackDiscovery 4

This sounds like it is not the propshaft, and your issue lies elsewhere. What mileage do you have regd?
Does it happen every time you get to the same speed, same gear? Same engine or gearbox temp? Vibration can come from wheel imbalance, bearings, gearbox and even suspension bush faults.

Try a different gear and see if you get the same.
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rrhool
 


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To answer your last question, no, the relative angles of the diff & transfer flanges wont make any difference. The propshaft should be a balanced rotating assembly in it's own right.

If the vibration didn't start until you fitted the new prop, you should take it to be checked for balance. I'm sure you don't want to be posting it back to the UK!
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Flack
 


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If the vibration was not there before you fitted the new prop then it has to be the a faulty new prop, I would get it balanced at least to see if that is the fault.
Did you test the joints on both ends for stiffness or play before you fitted it.

Flack Thumbs Up
  
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aja4x4
 


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It could have been dropped or bent in transit
  
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eightfoot
 


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or it could just be you didn't clean the flange correctly or the flange isn't seated in the recess correctly

needs to come off checked and refitted
 please excuse any grammer/punctuation mistakes,i'm thick,thankyou
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RickyAtHere
 


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Thanks for all the helps! 120K miles. It did not vibrate before change. I can really feel the vibration... really strong at highway speed (70 MPH), the seat is giving me massage at highway speed... vibration is wheel speed related and only a little bit load related. The rest of the disco are fine. I checked all the CV and UJ before installing, they all feels right. I did clean the flanges and apply a little bit anti-seize. I didn’t suspect the prop shaft at first and the manual says marking and keeping the relative angle of two flanges, that’s how I spent hours to rotate and remount...
  
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ronald.soak
 


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England 2005 Discovery 3 TDV6 S Manual Chawton WhiteDiscovery 3

Although the rear flange can be rotated 90 degrees, and the bolt holes lined up, the adjacent sides of the flange have a different shape. In service a crust of corrosion builds up on the areas of the differential flange not covered by the propshaft flange. It is advisable to fit a replacement propshaft with the same alignment as the original or else you are torquing down onto a non flat surface. Easily done under a dark car with bright sunlight in your field of vision.

I would suggest checking and if in the original alignment keeping it like that.
I also prefer to tighten opposing pairs of bolts partially in turn before final torquing.

Good luck
  
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RickyAtHere
 


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Yes, I did notice the difference on the rear flange, I aligned the rust pattern with the prop shaft and tighten the bolts little by little in a cross-pattern... I checked the rear mounting twice, I cannot see a gap, it seated pretty well.
  
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Globetrotter448
 


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Did it come with the new centre bearing or did you replace that. You could check rotation alignment with a clock gauge and see it there is any run out prior to taking it off again.
  
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M3DPO
 


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Put the old prop shaft back on and see if it still does it, the new one will have to come off anyway by the sounds of it. UJs can usually be renovated Thumbs Up
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Post #20575211st Jun 2019 8:40 am
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RickyAtHere
 


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I took the new shaft out and put the old one back in, everything become so quiet again except for the clunk noise when accelerating from still... I really should use a dial indicator to check the runout, now I may need to send the new one to a balancing shop. The vibration from the new shaft was really bad and it shouldn't be a vibration from resonating with the rest of the drivetrain, it really feels like the balance is off as it's getting stronger as speed goes up. I checked out the UJ and CVs of the new shaft again when I took it off, the UJ feels really OK but the CVs especially the middle one feels a bit stiff? is it normal to a new shaft? the CV of the half shaft feels really smooth and free in my memory... Can a stiff CV cause vibration? I could not find a missing weight on the new shaft. The new prop shaft is manufactured by GKN.
  
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eightfoot
 


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just take it back to the seller and tell them you want a good one not a out of balance one
 please excuse any grammer/punctuation mistakes,i'm thick,thankyou
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RickyAtHere
 


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I brought it from a UK seller, and I am in CANADA... Send it back would cost a lot on shipping. still negotiating with the seller.

I checked the UJ again, one axle is smooth, but the other axle is tight and stiff, I can even feel slight binding at a certain angle... could this be the cause of vibration?
  
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Globetrotter448
 


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Most uni joints are tight but smooth so one that locks can be a problem. There must be a place in Alberta that could check it for you - obviously a cost would be involved. Would the UK company send you a replacement joint for you to install. Alternately, maybe they will pay return shipping.
  
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