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Mcflori
 


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Voltage at 12V when engine running

Hi community, I am looking for some advice.
Because my start stop system did not work, LR dealer installed a new main battery and start stop battery two weeks ago on warranty.
Start-stop system now works fine again (although I turn anyway it off all every time).
But since that time, I experience a new problem: the fridge in the centre console always turns on and off during driving in the city. I’ve monitored voltage today with my IID tool during driving and could see and voltage always going up and down. Only when driving faster than 60 KMH, it goes up to 14.0 to 14.7 V. (Always when voltage at 12.7v or higher fridge turn on). When driving slow or standing at the traffic lights (lights off, radio off, no other consumers, engine running), it goes sometimes down to 12.0 V although engine is running.

Here my questions:
what should be the voltage when the engine is running?
And is it normal that it goes down to 12.0 V with running engine?
Could this be something that has to do with the Battery Management System/calibration?

Thank you very much in advance
  
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M3DPO
 


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The D4 charging system is technically very advanced, charging stops when accelerating and charges at maximum when braking or for the first few minutes on first start up.
At 12.7 volts the battery state of charge is low (65%) and the fridge will shut down on the D4 not like the D3 when it will stay on until the battery is flat.
I can’t possibly understand why anyone would want to disable stop start in normal road driving it is fully automatic has an excellent state of battery indicator Shocked , when ss stops working you know the battery is in a low state of charge (either volts and/or amps) and needs topping up with a smart charger or replacing Thumbs Up
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dgardel
 


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Stop&Start increase the wear of the engine (bearings)
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Or does it??

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My friend, I'm an engine designer and developer and , trust me, Stop&Sart is one of the best way to increase bearings wear. Every start you have 0 bar oil pressure, mind it
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Never use mine - having a turbo spinning at up to 17k per minute suddenly being deprived of oil pressure when red hot seems counterintuitive.
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M3DPO
 


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dgardel: not with the correct oil for how long the engine is stopped.
 It can when others can't,
It will when others won't,
It goes where others don't. 
 
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M3DPO
 


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adam: mine doesn't rev that high at tickover when my engine stops. The SS can be controlled to stop when the driver wants it to with very little practice, if any in my case.
 It can when others can't,
It will when others won't,
It goes where others don't. 
 
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Mcflori
 


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@M3DPO: your explanation seems to make very much sense. I monitored it once again today. When I release the accelerator pedal or use the break, voltage goes up to 14.7V. When accelerating again or driving constantly, it immediately goes down to 13V. It really seems to be an intelligent system.
So thanks for your reply.

Only thing I am still wondering why the fridge didn’t turn off so often before I had new batteries (or why I didn’t recognise it).

And regarding the SS, I prefer to turn it off to hopefully protect the engine a little...
  
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dgardel
 


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M3DPO wrote:
dgardel: not with the correct oil for how long the engine is stopped.


I done several test with the major oil companies (Castrol, Mobil, Ravenol, ENI) and bearing companies (King, Schaeffler, Miba, Mahle) you can mitigate a bit but the real wear is more than double.

Remember, Stop&Start it's only for reduce the CO2 total emission on city route
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