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Engine failure
Hi all
As anyone had any issues with the engine warnings or lack of them!
We had our 2012 discovery 4 serviced last year by a trusted local garage.
Whilst on motorway last week we had a major failure with the engine, no warning lights or engine management lights came up whilst on journey or even after it gave up.
Been told by garage that engine was totally dry of oil!!!!!
Surly if this was the case the oil / engine / overheating warning lights should have appeared.
Now looking at a brand new engine from land rover for 11k or recon from 4.5 k!
If this has been an issue in the past has anyone had any luck with land rover?
1st Feb 2018 12:06 am
galwaygreen
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plenty to read on here for your subject...on going issue,,,,
1st Feb 2018 12:53 am
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Re: Engine failure
Lockie1 wrote:
Hi all
As anyone had any issues with the engine warnings or lack of them!
We had our 2012 discovery 4 serviced last year by a trusted local garage.
Whilst on motorway last week we had a major failure with the engine, no warning lights or engine management lights came up whilst on journey or even after it gave up.
Been told by garage that engine was totally dry of oil!!!!!
Surly if this was the case the oil / engine / overheating warning lights should have appeared.
Now looking at a brand new engine from land rover for 11k or recon from 4.5 k!
If this has been an issue in the past has anyone had any luck with land rover?
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1st Feb 2018 6:15 am
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"totally dry of oil" that should do it! But how would that happen? There's no dipstick (grrr!), so you're totally reliant on the control panel display and automated requests to add oil as necessary.
I think what Galwaygreen is getting at is a number of owners who have experienced complete and near instant crank failure, although this is nothing to do with complete oil starvation. There's lots of hype around it, so it's very hard to tell how many owners' cars have genuinely been affected
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1st Feb 2018 7:13 am
Lockie1
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Morning
No dipstick on this engine. I think that’s a really bad design on Land Rover part.
Ur just reliant on the warning sensors which in this case havnt worked.
1st Feb 2018 9:09 am
adam
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When did you last check the oil level after the service?
1st Feb 2018 9:17 am
M3DPO
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Spotted this on mine yesterday, typical example of what could happen, it's just a unecessary add-on weak point and probably costs more than a dip stick.
Even to check the oil level a semi complicated procedure has to be done, on the ML 270 I had 15 years ago the oil level was shown automatically on start up and it had a dip stick.
This photo is taken from under the engine, the leak is from the pipe that is used to suck oil out when an oil change is done, imagine this pipe coming off whilst on a motorway. Next mod is to take the pipe off and plug the sump as I will never use it.
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1st Feb 2018 9:25 am
adam
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Not so sure on complicated procedure to check oil level.
I check mine from cold, on the drive, if any drops from consistent level, I'd know there's a potential issue, takes seconds
From warm, wait 10 mins+, off you go
I could never get on with the D3 dipstick, found it difficult to read.
1st Feb 2018 9:35 am
M3DPO
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It's probably not complicated to you, but I'm afraid to many drivers is is, ask your wife if she checks it before she starts the car, if she's like mine she wouldn't know where to start, it should be like the Merc and be part of the system check on start up and a red warning light eliminated if low, the Merc would even flash red if the oil was low not empty when travelling not come on after the damage is done like the D4 apparently does, not that I like Mercs I don't.It can when others can't,
It will when others won't,
It goes where others don't.
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1st Feb 2018 9:43 am
robpenrose
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Yes, its criminal not having a initial oil level check on startup really.
The fact its already got a sensor should have made it easy to incorporate.
As said above, my mrs 2003 Citreon C2 has a check at startup which just displays a number of bars, like an electronic dipstick. Its easy and correlates well with the main dip stick.
Not hard is it LR!!
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1st Feb 2018 9:53 am
M3DPO
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Lockie: ??
It's all very well designing and fitting fancy fairy lights, wading depth sensors approach radar and they cannot get basic essentials right It can when others can't,
It will when others won't,
It goes where others don't.
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1st Feb 2018 9:55 am
adam
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M3DPO wrote:
It's probably not complicated to you, but I'm afraid to many drivers is is, ask your wife if she checks it before she starts the car, if she's like mine she wouldn't know where to start, it should be like the Merc and be part of the system check on start up and a red warning light eliminated if low, the Merc would even flash red if the oil was low not empty when travelling not come on after the damage is done like the D4 apparently does, not that I like Mercs I don't.
My Mrs wont drive my D4, hates it
However, I do get your point - I check the fluids etc. on hers and daughters cars, if I didn't, they wouldn't be looked at.
1st Feb 2018 9:56 am
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On my D4 what makes it a faff is having to warm the car up then wait ten minutes. Wait too long and it shows not available, do it when it's cold and it says not available. It's a small window to do it and you have to make a special effort.
I try to do it once a week. Never noticed any movement in oil level at all.Gary
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1st Feb 2018 10:06 am
M3DPO
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Adam: I don't have that situation, my wife has a Mini but prefers the Discovery unless she parking in a multi-storey car park, yet I tried a F2 a few years back and all I got was ear ache, it had to go!
I must add that with the D3 I didn't check the oil as often as I should simply because it never used any, but on the D4 this pipe could have been leaking from new as the sump guard does not have to be removed for an oil change, it's only because I changed the diff oil well before LR recommends it, if in fact they do, that I spotted it and dripping on to the under tray probably wouldn't until it was to late.It can when others can't,
It will when others won't,
It goes where others don't.
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1st Feb 2018 10:09 am
robpenrose
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It should work straight away if it’s cold and hasn’t been started.
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But how would that happen? There's no dipstick (grrr!), so you're totally reliant on the control panel display and automated requests to add oil as necessary.
