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Winter Tyre Question

Hi all, quick question for those that regularly use winter tyres. Do they generally have less grip on cold wet roads then standard tyres? I was expecting the opposite but having never used them before wasn't sure what to expect really.

I switched from stock Continental 'Eco' tyres on a 2WD car we own to Kumho KC15 Winters all round. I was quite shocked to find that when accelerating fairly hard and the torque kicks in the tyres are scrabbling for grip in 2nd and 3rd gear (and this is on a 1.6 diesel manual car!!). On the flip side they grip very well in mud but I had hoped for far more assured performance on cold wet roads.
  
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I would have said generally more grip than standard based on my experiences with Wintrac 4 Extremes

The Grabber AT3 I have just replaced them with are not as confidence inspiring as the Wintracs although they are a full "winter" tyre but still better than the Zeros sub 7 deg.

If that helps Thumbs Up

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Are they brand new? Not sure if this still stands, but I was always told you need to give them a few hundred miles to bed in, something to do with the molding process, not sure. In my experience they are better after a while, and do seem to have more tread movement than summer tyres with the softer rubber, but my experience of winter tyres has always been really good.

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That's normal in my experience with a front wheel drive car (Saab 9-3), but only when the temperature of the road surface was above zero.

When the road temperature was 10c or above, even in the dry, the fronts tyres would be scrabbling away unless you were very gentle with the throttle when pulling away. Supposedly 7c and below is the magic temperature when winter/cold weather tyres come into their own. In my experience it needs to be colder before you notice the benefits.
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Thanks that's helpful, I was thinking they need to bed in a bit so will see how it fares.

I'm sure they will be great if we do get any snow as the 'eco' tyres on before had no sipes at all and a uniform tread pattern with grooves running all in the direction of travel so predicted them to be about as good as a pair of leather soled 'slip-ons' in the white stuff Laughing
  
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I guess that "accelerating fairly hard and the torque kicks in - tyres scrabbling " is not a great winter driving style.. Wink

On a serious note in my experience Winter Tyres are worth their weight in gold when the conditions are what they were designed for and most brands are pretty good at coping with "Normal" driving styles even in summer temperatures.
 
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Pulling away, especially on an uphill gradient required very careful and gentle throttle control. Unless it was 0c or below. This wasn't the case with the Goodyear Eagle F1 GDS-3's that were fitted for the rest of the year.
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Perhaps my description wasn’t great but yes I’m talking about normal driving and the sort of acceleration you might experience joining a motorway or fast flowing traffic, not how you would drive in snow or icy conditions of course. The tyres felt less grippy than the standard ones which surprised me.
  
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LT wrote:
Goodyear Eagle F1 GDS-3's that were fitted for the rest of the year.

I had those on a Mk4 Golf GTi PD150 many years ago. A cracking tyre except in snow, unsurprisingly, at which point they became entirely useless. But the rest of the time - a great tyre.
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They were a great tyre, the nearest replacement for the legendary Bridgestone SO-2 (the SO-3 being Censored ).
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Well either they have bedded in nicely or it's because the temperature has dropped a lot (or both) but the tyres are now sticking like glue!

Can't believe the difference, very happy and glad I got them now Thumbs Up
  
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Combination of both I expect. See what happens when it gets warmer. Thumbs Up
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Windy Corner wrote:
I would have said generally more grip than standard based on my experiences with Wintrac 4 Extremes

The Grabber AT3 I have just replaced them with are not as confidence inspiring as the Wintracs although they are a full "winter" tyre but still better than the Zeros sub 7 deg.

If that helps Thumbs Up

Rik


When I fitted my Wintrac 4 Extremes two years ago I was shocked how poor they were and even went back to the fitters the following day, they told me give them 150-200 miles to bed in and they were right. After about 150 miles they were brilliant, so much so I left them on year round. Replacing them tomorrow with ATRs so fingers crossed
  
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Ran Kumho KC15 Winters on a Honda Type R, they were awesome, but as previously mentioned needed running in. Looks like you may of found out now Smile
  
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