Is it the same thing that is getting spewed out in the ITV news this morning saying that 4X4 owners are twice as likely to break the law by using mobiles while driving and not wearing seatbelts?
Funnily enough the main show is being presented by that Penny something or other who presented that c--p the other night.
Me thinks she may be a undercover tree hugging (no offence DickGriff ) Greenpi$$ lesbo Zermatt silver 06 reg.
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23rd Jun 2006 7:34 am
DG Site Moderator
Member Since: 12 Dec 2005
Location: The Gaff
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Why don't the anti 4x4 lobby have a go at the one vehicle on today's roads, driven by a "professional" that:
guzzles fuel at the rate of 5-10 mpg;
spews out more CO2 than any other vehicle;
chokes up our major roads when it joins with others in endless convoys;
spends miles overtaking another one because it is going 0.5mph faster;
whose load is likely to drop off and block the road for hours because the "professional" driving it didn't tie the load down properly;
is swerving all over the road because the "professional" behind the wheel is trying to text his wife to say he'll be late home;
has just sideswiped an overtaking car because the Lithuanian professional on the 'wrong' side of the cab is not obliged to fit blindspot mirrors;
They'll have something to really get their teeth into then!!Now an ex-D3 owner after 7 happy years. Miss the car but not the big bills
23rd Jun 2006 8:06 am
LRtuning
Member Since: 22 Feb 2005
Location: AUSTRALIA + UK
Posts: 468
I actually think that the government secretly 'supports' the anti 4x4 activists as it wont be long before a 4x4 road tax is introduced!Money talks.Sex sells.Mud sticks.Time flys. happens.People talk.Impressions last!
Hang on a minute... who did Jeremy Clarkson describe as "clinically insane"? 4 x 4 drivers? Or Malcolm Wicks and Ken Livingstone? That's a very ambiguous bit of journalism. Just what one would expect from that dull, republican rag.
23rd Jun 2006 8:18 am
SimonH
Member Since: 29 Apr 2006
Location: North Yorkshire
Posts: 161
The trouble with this bandwagon is that with both main political parties being so shallow and populist (these days?) it is exactly the sort of issue they can jump on, it cost them little to nothing, says they are listening to the people and affects relatively few within the country.
That Penny programme the other night was an affront to balanced and informed journalism, seeking only to sway an arguement one way. One thinks the agenda must have been at least partially funded by the anti 4x4 groups, or at least partially by Mercedes.
There will have to be a balancing movement from 4x4 manufacturers, the motor sales groups and owners groups. This will have to be done quickly before the rug is pulled from under us and Mr chancellor sniffs another easy tax rise.
It does seem to be the case that ( and I'm only observing here ) the urban 4x4 is tarring the blanket for all, and that if the cars were not so in the sad greenie urbanite's faces we might all get an easier ride. I, for one, was shocked at the numbers of Range Rovers et al on the steets of London last summer. Why should all 4x4 owners nationally be penalised for using their cars for what they were designed for just because a "few" wish to have them as fashion accessories to take the kids to school in?
I have purchased my 4x4 for a number of reasons, towing, fording flooded roads (which are increasingly common in my part of North Yorkshire), being able to carry the whole family, wife, 3 kids plus elderly relatives who can no longer drive and not forgetting 2 large (GSD) dogs, loadspace flexibility and going off-road for shooting etc.
I am sad my chosen vehicle is NME 1 but feel that if we ignore these blinkered rantings, which is advocated by some on this forum, OUR choice will be taken from us. Remember hunting, smoking, 'tis a grey old world we are heading to if this lot keep getting their way.
I shall now take a breath.......NOW SOLD: 2006 TDV6 SE Auto Zermatt silver with Alpaca Leather
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I actually think that the government secretly 'supports' the anti 4x4 activists as it wont be long before a 4x4 road tax is introduced!
Hmm. That'll be interesting - who saw BBC ONE news last night? Tony Blair in Bristol getting into an armoured P38 Range Rover followed by diplomatic protection officers in a new Range Rover (I bet that's chipped!), and I bet they are both petrol not diesel!
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23rd Jun 2006 8:28 am
Pelyma
Member Since: 06 Jan 2005
Location: Patching, Sussex
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Of course it supports the movement, 4x4s are the next big toff icon after fox hunting. The only way to fight this type of article is to write to them and tell them you are not buying the newspaper. It is pointless arguing with people who have closed minds and are not being honest about their real objection. It is nothing to do with carbon emissions etc, it is they do not liked being looked down on by a bigger car. This equates to the squire looking down on the peasants.DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
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If twenty of us took Pelyma's suggestion and wrote to the Indescribablyboring telling them that we are not buying their newspaper it probably would have an effect - that's half their circulation!
23rd Jun 2006 8:32 am
Gareth Site Moderator
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Location: Bramhall
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Hang on guys and gals! should we not be sending all these view points to the paper so they can hear us protesting?
Other than Red Ken's warblings AFAIK nobody in the government has spoken out with anything anti-4x4 (Unfortunately the likes of the NERC bill does directly affect us off-road but it affects trail riders and others too)? Yes there's been road tax rises but these are bound to happen anyway and are directed at all larger engined (higher emission) vehicles not solely those with four wheel drive.
If the government was to bring in anything that is directly aimed at 4x4's then that is the point at which action/protests in whatever form must start. To be effective and respected such protests have to stay completely within the law though and inconvenience innocent parties as little as possible
There is far too much bullsh*t in the press nowadays about 4x4's and we should all complain to the publications concerned but they're not going to take much notice, they're in the business of selling papers and to do that they'll print whatever makes the uneducated public buy them.
As far as the 'antis' are concerned I'll continue to ignore them unless they do anything that directly affects the use of our chosen vehicles. They want as much publicity as possible to further their mistaken cause, ignoring them is the best way to ensure they don't get it.The End
23rd Jun 2006 9:09 am
DG Site Moderator
Member Since: 12 Dec 2005
Location: The Gaff
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Perhaps we should try a bit of reverse pshycology here......why don't we all join Greenpeace, The Ramblers, Anti-4x4 Alliance and all the other misguided groups...sit as dormant members....put their stickers in the back window of our D3's ....and then disrupt their AGM's en mass and vote against any constitutional points raised involving 4x4s.
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....and then disrupt their AGM's en mass and vote against any constitutional points raised involving 4x4s.
