To put it this way, not a single soul would drive with their MTR's during the winter here in Norway, they are rubbish and dangerous on winter roads. Most D3 drivers in Norway also think the Pirelli Ice and Snow are rubbish, due to their hard rubber compound not designed for nordic icy roads.
In this case I would say you are better off using your Pirellis. I suppose if you get really offroad in snow MTR's would do, but on roads with snow Pirellis will be fine. Its stopping and skidding thats our main consern.
I suppose in wet snow MTR's is okey, once it gets below freezing they are really not what you want on your rims. Would be like summer tires...
My self I drive on Studded Nokian Hakkas SUV 5. It makes the D3 a train on ICE covered roads christian@betekconsult.com
22nd Dec 2009 11:20 pm
mick
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Mtrs work fine for me if it gets really bad i have snow chains been out working in my van front wheel drive got chains for tht as well used them today once to get up and down an icy track no problem.
22nd Dec 2009 11:44 pm
D3Norway
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Obviously with chains you are okey, I'm talking about when you are doing 50-60 mph on twisty B-roads with ice and polished hard snow you would really not want to be on MTR's...christian@betekconsult.com
22nd Dec 2009 11:53 pm
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D3Norway wrote:
when you are doing 50-60 mph on twisty B-roads with ice and polished hard snow
you would really not want to be on MTR's doing that full stop Steve N | 21MY Defender | 08MY Discovery 3 (history) | 06MY Discovery 3 (ancient history)
23rd Dec 2009 12:04 am
Jonty
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Why do you think Scandinavians make such good rally drivers.
I agree with D3Norway though, MTRs are no good on compacted snow/ice. It's the D3 that makes them seem ok, but with correct tyres it is much better.
23rd Dec 2009 12:25 am
D3Norway
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Well, main roads and some b roads are salted and sanded, but not everywhere and not in the mountains. Following the speedlimit at 50 mph on ice covered roads are no problem as long as you have proper winter tires. (not MTR's and AT's!!) Studded tires are recomended for everyone driving SUV's.
Yeah, the D3 is actually pretty nice powersliding with on snow, the tail gets out nice, not much understeer.christian@betekconsult.com
23rd Dec 2009 12:41 am
highlandcow
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Thanks/takk
I agree with DG that the limited amount of true winter weather in the UK doesn't make it worthwhile buying a set of winter tyres; and I take on what JMC and D3Norway say about the Pirelli Scorpions vs the MTRs.
Therefore, with the freezing conditions I'll stick with the Scorpions, albeit on 20" wheels, but might put on the 19" wheels with the MTRs if I go to the SLROC's Boxing Day Bash which is offroad and nearby.
23rd Dec 2009 12:53 am
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ATR's the way forward
23rd Dec 2009 7:26 am
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I always like talking to the Scandinavians about tyres, they do have the experiance in the snow, slush and ice and most of them depend on chosing the right tyre for most conditions.
Most of us are amateurs in these snow and ice conditions with the odd exceptions further up north where they will have gained quite a bit of experiance.
"Some" of the total rubbish talked by people who think they are experts makes my eyes and ears bleed.
Answer is take it easy out there on whatever tyres you are on, some of you will not be able to chop and change your tyres like some change there underpants, and some just could not drive a greasy stick up a dogs backside.
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23rd Dec 2009 7:40 am
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AJS4X4 wrote:
and some just could not drive a greasy stick up a dogs backside.
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Waste of time buying specific tyres given that we have a few days worth of snow per year
Know of any snow-specific tyres then DG? The winter tyres I run are designed to be better in the wet, ice and snow - basically a better allround tyre once the temp gets below 7-10°C - so about 4 months of the year. If the drivers of the UK adopted the continental practice of fitting winter tyres, the utter chaos we've seen in recent days would be avoided and we wouldn't need half the gritting equipment we presently pay for with our council tax.
There's a thought - a one-year RFL amnesty and a small reduction in council tax to allow people to put money towards a set of winter wheels/tyres, then 12 months later make it a legal requirement to have them fitted November-February. Any argument that the RFL only covers part of the cost is countered by the fact that they shouldn't have bought a Prius in the first place I know it's not considered "kind" to say no these days, but no. Just no, ok? And if it's not ok, still no.
23rd Dec 2009 8:53 am
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Once again Al you miss my point I am sure that there are some fantastic winter tyres out there that will perform so well that it would make me want to rub my genital area...I just don't believe that we have sufficiently frequent conditions to warrant them.
The truth is that when the white stuff does make an appearance most don't know how to drive in it ....or when to just stay the feck off the road because it ain't worth it. This is very apparent in the South east where most people appear to have undergone a frontal lobotomy.
Honing winter driving skills would be far better than putting on your new winter tyres along with your invincible "superdriver" t-shirt and underpants ..and trying to save the world 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
Once again Al you miss my point I am sure that there are some fantastic winter tyres out there that will perform so well that it would make me want to rub my genital area...I just don't believe that we have sufficiently frequent conditions to warrant them.
Ah, belief. It's what fuels the global warming debate, so why not bring it in to a discussion on tyres. As for missing your point, I got it, I just don't (ahem) believe it's a particularly well thought out point.
So 4 months of the year where temperatures are regulalry below 7-10°C not enough to warrant them? Some of the wettest conditions in Europe not sufficient? The grip they offer in the cold and wet is massively better than the summer tyres we are obsessed with buying over here. I can't get my head around this resistance to fitting a tyre that is proven to work better in UK winter conditions. Are they not chunky and sexy enough? Is the D3 too manly for them?
Enquiringly yours,
Puzzled of Dorset.I know it's not considered "kind" to say no these days, but no. Just no, ok? And if it's not ok, still no.
23rd Dec 2009 9:14 am
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When will you understand that my issue isn't with the tyre's ...they are incidental to driving skills which I believe people would be better placed concentrating on.21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
Cos driver training - no, any kind of training in this country is always taken seriously
We've all seen people who have a driving licence and asked ourselves "how the hell?". Would it be any better if they got cold weather training? All the training in the world won't create friction - but a winter tyre will. Hell, why not go for both options I know it's not considered "kind" to say no these days, but no. Just no, ok? And if it's not ok, still no.
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Studded tires are recomended for everyone driving SUV's.
I am sure that there are some fantastic winter tyres out there that will perform so well that it would make me want to rub my genital area...I just don't believe that we have sufficiently frequent conditions to warrant them.
