Member Since: 08 Nov 2005
Location: Oldbury, WM
Posts: 10319
the week before last, at stonehouse services/travelodge, there was a highways agency D4 being loaded onto a big yellow taxi
I didnt have the heart to go and ask why
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Gone - MY18 D5 HSE - Corris on 22's with Black Pack
Now gone - MY16 D4 SE Tech, Loire Blue, Almond Leather, Privacy, plus some other goodies.
Old - MY12 D4 SDV6 XS Auto - Ipanema Sand with Almond Leather - Plus other niceties, and D4.com sticker
Older - D3 TDV6 XS Auto - Lugano Teal with Almond Leather, 20" Stormers, Shiny Tailpipes, DVD/TV - and obligatory D3 sticker
Ancient - D3 TDV6 S - Tonga with Ebony, 20" Stormers, satnav & DVD
17th Apr 2015 12:17 pm
Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
Posts: 7439
I guess that with triple shifting, clocking up 100,000 miles a year, it's going to happen sooner or later.... 2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as โsecondโ cars ๐
2021 to date: Hinckley built โ14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built โ14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
17th Apr 2015 1:35 pm
362bkr
Member Since: 30 Oct 2014
Location: Devon
Posts: 15
I broke down last year on the a38 with a coach and consequently the highways agency were called . Whilst awaiting recovery I asked more or less the same question and .............the guy was of the same opinion regarding discovery v shogun !
17th Apr 2015 5:46 pm
gensetsteve
Member Since: 01 Jan 2014
Location: hampshire
Posts: 340
We were parked at the services nr Birmingham a couple of years ago and got talking to a group of wombles. Their view was the discovery was the nicest vehicle to be in all day with more presence on the road than the shoguns. But the discovery reliability was dire with gearboxes and transfer boxes popping all over the place they were in some doubt the ha would keep on buying them especially since the shotgun was a third cheaper.D4
17th Apr 2015 7:30 pm
Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
Posts: 7439
D4's or D3's?
Not sure I'd want to look at a Shogun if it's only 1/3rd less than a Disco.2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as โsecondโ cars ๐
2021 to date: Hinckley built โ14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built โ14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
17th Apr 2015 8:13 pm
Russell
Member Since: 24 Aug 2007
Location: Kent
Posts: 10564
I spoke to some at the Kent show a few years ago when they were running D3's they said the reliability was bad and the D3 was always off the road, however they prefered to drive them over the Shogun. Spoke to them again at the show two years ago and they said there was no comparison now D4 was very reliable in comparison to Shogun and won hands down over everything. They also said if they had to tow anything the D4 was the vehicle for ity everytimeMY17 D5 1st Edition Namib Orange
MY15 D4 HSE Kaikoura Stone
MY12 D4 HSE Nara Bronze Sold and gone
MY11 D4 HSE Stornaway Grey Sold and gone
D3 S spec Silver Sold and gone
Tow bar, full length roof bars, side steps, tow bar storage unit, surround camers.
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17th Apr 2015 10:11 pm
gensetsteve
Member Since: 01 Jan 2014
Location: hampshire
Posts: 340
I had a d4 and don't get the logic they are more reliable than a d3. The d4 has a twin turbo set up which is more prone to problems. Other than that it's the same engine and transmission with slightly bigger brakes. Same poor quality diffs and jag auto box. The interior is loads better in a d4 but other than that it's just a face lift.D4
18th Apr 2015 4:43 pm
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
Member Since: 11 May 2006
Location: Off again! :-)
Posts: 72869
gensetsteve wrote:
other than that it's just a face lift.
I thought I was the only one that thought that!!
18th Apr 2015 4:55 pm
Robbie
Member Since: 05 Feb 2006
Location: ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Posts: 17932
Turbos more prone to problems?
Same engine?
Same gearbox?
Just a face lift?
Don't recognise any of that at all.Land Rover - Turning Drivers into Mechanics Since 1948
Member Since: 11 May 2006
Location: Off again! :-)
Posts: 72869
Same engine? What's 300cc between friends?
Same gearbox? Yes til the rotory do-dah came along.
Just a face lift? Well I can't tell the difference externally if I can't read the lettering, see the grille or see the fake air intake. And from the B pillar backwards it's the same apart from the beige trim. Interestingly they didn't call the 3.0 RRS an new model.
I rest my case m'lud.
Ducking for cover.
Oh, and if it's a completely new car why's it still the L319?
18th Apr 2015 5:25 pm
Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
Posts: 7439
Just going back to the start of the thread, I was only reporting what two Highways Agency staff who spend their entire working lives driving them, up to 330,000 miles, have to say. This doesn't mean that those that have have problems are in any way wrong, but haven't those issues already been aired elsewhere on here?
As for the gearbox being the same, one's a 6 speed and the other an 8 speed. Am I missing something?
So far I've learned that there seems to be a fundamental difference in the wiring between at least early 3's and 4's after the early looms were badly effected by water ingress, or is this wrong? (I'm still new here, so I'm trying to play catch up!)2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as โsecondโ cars ๐
2021 to date: Hinckley built โ14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built โ14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
18th Apr 2015 5:43 pm
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
Member Since: 11 May 2006
Location: Off again! :-)
Posts: 72869
Sorry Red, above is just an illustration in how quickly things here head off topic. It's all part of the fun and frolics.
18th Apr 2015 6:02 pm
Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
Posts: 7439
No problem DSL, I'm enjoying it here!
Talking of going off topic, it looks like your dog's a bit bigger than mine! 2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as โsecondโ cars ๐
2021 to date: Hinckley built โ14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built โ14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
18th Apr 2015 6:04 pm
mse
Member Since: 27 Jun 2005
Location: Shropshire
Posts: 2702
Just because they might appear the same, they aren't - components change all the time, designs are refined, software changes etc...it means even within MY there are changes, some you see and some you dontMike
18th Apr 2015 6:12 pm
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
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