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Looks like Labour is definitely revolting.
26th Jun 2016 9:39 pm
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Whilst one or two of the resignations have come from the left centre of the party the majority have come from the blairite side and it's clearly orchestrated to create maximum pressure with another resignation on the hour. Very tacky IMO.
Are there better candidates for the leader of the Labour Party; certainly but once again they haven't got it. It's about democracy. Their own party membership overwhelmingly voted him in just 9 months ago and this coup was an open secret two months ago at Westminster. They just bided their time until after the referendum to make it look as though there was nothing else the PLP could do.
And don't be fooled because it is no surprise that when Chilcock gives his findings, Corbyn would have gone for the throat of Blair and Straw to name but two but this way they can at worst stifle the critisism or at best simply airbrush it away. Politics is a very dirty business.
26th Jun 2016 9:42 pm
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Blair will be judged by our grandchildren along with Thatcher as political leaders who made a difference. Cameron was without dout the best man available in recent years, unfortunately he had no credible opposition.
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DG wrote:
Cutting ..but fair
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Personally I consider this gutless even if it is true. And the reason is that it wasn't written for Jeremy Corbyn but for the news world and that's very sad. This is orchestrated and very far from spontaneous and just watch Tom Watson butcher him tomorrow, because he thinks he's up to the job. And wasn't it fortunate that we saw him break short his trip to Glastonbury, where he posed for photo opportunities whilst bonding with the young and very dirty. Et tu Brute.
26th Jun 2016 10:44 pm
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I think Corbyn was something different and worth a punt. The rich hated him as he was and remains a threat to them. He has been misquoted in the press (owned by the rich) and by TV (Run by the rich). I have voted Conservative all my adult life but saw no difference in what they do from any other party to date so see no point in continuing to do so. Britain needs to do something different and I think Corbyn has his eye on the piles of money the rich are sitting on and not putting back into the economy. He has my vote. If he can hang on.FFRR 2017 4.4SDV8 Autobiography. Cost so much I must be mad!
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26th Jun 2016 10:54 pm
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Funny thing is I've been blue all of my life until now. I'm not sure I would vote for Corbyn because he's certainly not statesmanlike or particularly articulate but I do think he's relatively honest and that makes him pretty unusual in politics. I have visited parliament many times and have spoken with very many MPs and with the exception of Frank Fields, I have found the majority of them to be self obsessed, inward looking and absolutely filled with their own importance. And they very, very rarely stand their own round too.
At the time of writing Jeremy Corbyn has a petition of Confidence in him signed by ( excluding anyone in Vatican City) of 194,000 people.
wouldn't have been my first or any number less than two integers choice...
It didn't really seem to matter just after the election but it does right now.
withThe Tory party is in meltdown with Dodgy resigning in 3 months (we hope), George in hiding or abducted by aliens, Boris the MARMITE flavour of the month & all the rest getting ready for the Tory leadership election "bunfight"...which the bookies have already got the runners with odds posted.
...The wrong Miliband looks quite good compared to what we have in place right now.
This next week will be a stonkingley interesting one to watch...
Who do you listen to to ?...certainly not George
Who do you believe ?.....the list is getting shorter
Who do you want to to succeed ?.....it isn't Nicola, George, or Jeremy
Ive tried at the bookies to get a good double bet with Labour & Tory leaders at daft odds....& put some real folding stuff on just as a risky gamble (as all gambles indeed are)...
The longer Jeremy stays the worse it gets as his credibility is dwindling person by person who resigns or gets chopped. The guy has a minus quantity insight.
But with a possible late Autumn General Election......neither party is that preparedBREXIT - done properly.
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And still they resign - up to 22 & still counting at 09:30 this morning:-
YESTERDAY
Hilary Benn, shadow foreign secretary. SACKED
Heidi Alexander, health
Gloria De Piero, young people
Ian Murray, Scotland
Lilian Greenwood, transport
Kerry McCarthy, environment
Seema Malhotra, Treasury chief
Lucy Powell, education
Vernon Coaker, Northern Ireland
Lord Falconer, justice
Karl Turner, attorney general
Chris Bryant, Commons leader
TODAY - 27th June
7.49am Diana Johnson, foreign minister
7:49am Anna Turley, civil society.
7:53am Toby Perkins, armed forces
8.07am Stephen Kinnock, Parliamentary Private Secretary to Angela Eagle, business
8.28am Neil Coyle, deputy Commons leader
8.30am Ruth Smeeth, Parliamentary Private Secretary to the Shadow Northern Ireland and Scotland teams
8.33am Wayne David, Scotland minister
8.43am Yvonne Fovargue, Business, Innovation & Skills team
8.43am Steve Reed, Department for Communities and Local Government team
8.45am Jess Phillips, Parliamentary Private Secretary in the Education teamAm I Gammon or Woke ? - I neither know nor care.
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27th Jun 2016 9:50 am
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I want party leaders, of whatever political colour, to be statesmen, as one day they may have to represent us on a world stage - Corbyn isnt a statesman. He looks more like the caretaker. He may be well intentioned and honourable, just not a country leader imho
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27th Jun 2016 10:36 am
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Alex Cunningham shadow minister for the natural environment has just resigned...
As Pelyma says Labour's Deputy leader Tom Watson has told Corbyn that he no longer commands the confidence of Labour members.
BBC deputy political editor Jack Blanchard says however that Watson did NOT explicitly tell Corbyn to resign, contrary to reports elsewhere (including the BBC).
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27th Jun 2016 10:54 am
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al cope wrote:
I want party leaders, of whatever political colour, to be statesmen, as one day they may have to represent us on a world stage - Corbyn isnt a statesman. He looks more like the caretaker. He may be well intentioned and honourable, just not a country leader imho
Al
Couldn't agree more, could you imagine a world leaders photo, he would always be stuffed away at the back out of sight.
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27th Jun 2016 12:26 pm
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its not just appearance, its his whole demeanour. There is no gravitas about him at all
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27th Jun 2016 2:11 pm
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I often hear Corbyn described as "decent, honest and honourable".
Was it honest and honourable to lead a Remain campaign which he clearly did not believe in?
Not in my opinion. He should have been honourable and admitted that he's always been a Euro sceptic and resigned before the campaign got under way. He belongs to the Socialist Labour Party, who supported the Leave campaign.
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