What? Don't they realise they need us more than we need them!
Going to hell in a hand cart...Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
22nd Jun 2018 8:31 am
highlands
Member Since: 11 Jan 2010
Location: NW Highlands
Posts: 5096
So, the EU negotiator is willing to put the arrest warrant and security bases on the line, quite probably risking the lives of EU citizens...and this is supposed to engender a desire for the EU in me?
Were the politicians of the EU able to be held to account in the same way that UK politicians are, this situation should not occur.
Of course, the EU doesn't need to concern itself with the demos.Black 05 TDV6 HSE Auto
Grey 05 TDV6 HSE Auto (Gone)
54 TDV6 SE Man (killed by me )
22nd Jun 2018 8:41 am
DG Site Moderator
Member Since: 12 Dec 2005
Location: The Gaff
Posts: 50949
Quote:
So, the EU negotiator is willing to put the arrest warrant and security bases on the line,
No ....we have done this ...when are dimwit brexiteers going to realise it is us walking away ....it is us who are weakening ourselves ...it is us who will suffer
22nd Jun 2018 10:31 am
astonbuilder
Member Since: 29 Sep 2006
Location: MIDLANDS
Posts: 8054
Site moderator using personal insults.....again
This is probably the most divisive topic I’ve ever seen on this forum.....
22nd Jun 2018 10:37 am
DG Site Moderator
Member Since: 12 Dec 2005
Location: The Gaff
Posts: 50949
Personal? ...I'm generalising, it's nothing personal ...I hadn't realised the being labeled 'silly' is an insult ...grow a pair brexiteers
22nd Jun 2018 10:41 am
Pelyma
Member Since: 06 Jan 2005
Location: Patching, Sussex
Posts: 15496
DG wrote:
Quote:
So, the EU negotiator is willing to put the arrest warrant and security bases on the line,
No ....we have done this ...when are dimwit brexiteers going to realise it is us walking away ....it is us who are weakening ourselves ...it is us who will suffer
Remind me how many terrorist attacks have happened in Europe in the last 2 years, we stopped attacks in 4 European countries last year. The security services across Europe, on the whole, work independently of the EU workings this is Europe cutting its nose to spite its face. Politicians have chosen to take antagonistic positions, on both sides, instead working together.DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
DS3 TDV6 HSE- Silver with Alpaca (new one) Gone
D4 HSE Lux - Montalcino Red Gone
Porsche Cayenne V8 Diesel S
22nd Jun 2018 11:13 am
DG Site Moderator
Member Since: 12 Dec 2005
Location: The Gaff
Posts: 50949
Hellooooo ....WE are leaving ...THEY are not
22nd Jun 2018 11:20 am
Pelyma
Member Since: 06 Jan 2005
Location: Patching, Sussex
Posts: 15496
We are not leaving Europe, only the EU. Do you think it is sensible to not work with an organisation that has potentially saved hundreds of EU citizen's lives?
At the end of the day the UK voted leave and leave we will, as I said right back before the vote, we might be going to hell in a hand cart, but it will be our hand cart. You can all big yourselves up how clever you all are that you voted remain, post memes that you've found on Facebook, but we are leaving. Us uneducated, racist, lay about yobs have won the vote pure and simple. We've all had a chance to put our cross on the ballot paper, now is the time to move on.
The EU can choose to work with the UK or it can be obstructive. The UK has said it wants to work with Europe, but that doesn't seem to be reciprocated.DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
DS3 TDV6 HSE- Silver with Alpaca (new one) Gone
D4 HSE Lux - Montalcino Red Gone
Porsche Cayenne V8 Diesel S
22nd Jun 2018 11:38 am
DG Site Moderator
Member Since: 12 Dec 2005
Location: The Gaff
Posts: 50949
Not the way I see it ...they accept we are leaving and that is why they are moving on.
This is reverse psychology ...what we are saying is they need this security CSDP relationship to remain to save them from themselves ...when what it is blatantly saying in fact is we are ting ourselves because the depth of the implication of this desire to totally detach ourselves is becoming crystal clear.
It's like saying that you want to protect your ex-wife's house by maintaining and monitoring her intruder alarm system ....and then blaming her for not wanting you to interfere because after all, you off out of the relationship after being a all of your life.
22nd Jun 2018 11:54 am
Pelyma
Member Since: 06 Jan 2005
Location: Patching, Sussex
Posts: 15496
No it’s not, the Security Services work across Europe independent of the EU on the whole, as explained by Jeremy Fleming. As part of keeping ourselves safe we obtain information that helps European countries safe, whose interest is it to stop that working? It might hurt our capabilities a bit, but it’ll hurt European citizens far more. Divorces can be civil and they work out better for all or they can be acrimonious and neither party gains, only the lawyers.DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
DS3 TDV6 HSE- Silver with Alpaca (new one) Gone
D4 HSE Lux - Montalcino Red Gone
Porsche Cayenne V8 Diesel S
22nd Jun 2018 12:06 pm
DG Site Moderator
Member Since: 12 Dec 2005
Location: The Gaff
Posts: 50949
So if it's independent and nothing to do with leaving or the EU then why is it even being discussed ...no matter what either party said about it ... it wouldn't matter.
22nd Jun 2018 12:20 pm
professorpool
Member Since: 19 Mar 2012
Location: Woking
Posts: 3213
DG wrote:
No ....we have done this ...when are dimwit brexiteers going to realise it is us walking away ....it is us who are weakening ourselves ...it is us who will suffer
When are dimwit remoaners going to realise that financial matters and being "better off" were not factors in the decision making processes of most brexiteers?
Quote:
Bill would have been much better off financially if he had stayed married to his ex wife
And frankly it smacks of Schrödinger's remoaner argument whereby a remoaner will take the out of a brexiteer for voting brexit because of immigration, sovereignty, eu laws, blue passports and or whatever whilst at the same time try to make an argument for remaining using money.
And lastly, it's all a moot point. Whatever the reasons people had for voting brexit - they have their wish. I really can't understand why remoaners still try to make argument that they were right. Who gives a ? We are leaving now and that is the end of it.D3 07 SE - still going strong
D3 07 HSE - gone to car heaven
FL1 - gone to Romania
D3 05 HSE - gone to a divorce diet
D1 V8 manual - gone but not forgotten
RR Classic - gone to car heaven
Jeeps, Lexus, X-trails... Too many to name..
22nd Jun 2018 12:21 pm
DG Site Moderator
Member Since: 12 Dec 2005
Location: The Gaff
Posts: 50949
Well at least remoaners stopped short of suggesting brexiteers should be shot for treason.
As a passenger on the brexit bus hurtling down the hill towards a cliff, I for one am unwilling to just remain seated
22nd Jun 2018 12:30 pm
Disco_Mikey
Member Since: 29 May 2007
Location: Dundee, Scotland
Posts: 20733
Quote:
When are dimwit remoaners going to realise that financial matters and being "better off" were not factors in the decision making processes of most brexiteers?
Member Since: 19 Mar 2012
Location: Woking
Posts: 3213
Only remoaners think that bus:
1 Was a promise
2 Had anything to do with decisions made by brexiteers
3 Was the reason they lost
You certainly don't hear brexiteers going on about it.D3 07 SE - still going strong
D3 07 HSE - gone to car heaven
FL1 - gone to Romania
D3 05 HSE - gone to a divorce diet
D1 V8 manual - gone but not forgotten
RR Classic - gone to car heaven
You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum
) 
...I'm generalising, it's nothing personal ...I hadn't realised the being labeled 'silly' is an insult ...grow a pair brexiteers 
ting ourselves because the depth of the implication of this desire to totally detach ourselves is becoming crystal clear.
