Martin
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| Spare Wheel Hoist Seizure |
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- Classification
- Mechanical system issue
- Problem
- Spare wheel hoist seizing if the cable is raised/lowered without tension on it
- Affected vehicles
- All
- Reported
- 15th July 2006 by Herman in Post #70695
- Reported Cases
- Many, see Topic #2632
- Occurs
- Constant issue
- Submitted to dealer network
- Yes
- Dealer Response
- n/a
- Submitted to LR Customer Services
- n/a
- LR CS Response Reported
- n/a
- Fix/Solution
- None: Spare wheel hoists have been replaced under warranty, unaware if any design changes have been made to the hoist to prevent the same problem occuring again. To mitigate the risk of seizure I would recommend that anyone who is raising or lowering the cable with out a wheel hanging on it puts tension on it.
- Other Comments
- Probably the only time that vehicle owners will use the wheel hoist is when they have to use the spare due to a puncture. If you put the wheel with the punctured tyre in the boot and raise the cable without tension on it, when you come lower the cable it may seize.
There is no evidence that a modified hoist has been introduced.
Last edited by Martin on Thu Feb 28 2008 1:06pm. Edited 1 time in total
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Bushwanderer
Member Since: 27 Nov 2007
Location: Sydney, Australia
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Except that LR - at least in Australia - recommend in their manual that you remove the spare wheel from underneath the car before going off-road. 
Peter,
2005 D3 S TDV6 manual.
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| Sun Jan 27 2008 6:10am |
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crews control
Member Since: 18 Mar 2007
Location: Hampshire
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Yep, that exactly what happened to me. Punctured tyre placed in boot and winch wound up without tension. This seized the winch and the whole part had to be replaced under warranty, (it's a sealed unit). I can't see if there are any design changes inside, but I certainly won't be winding this up or down without some weight on it!
Discussed here:
http://www.disco3.co.uk/forum/topic2632.html
http://www.disco3.co.uk/forum/topic15894.html
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| Sun Jan 27 2008 8:45am |
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CG
Member Since: 13 Nov 2007
Location: In the middle somewhere
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Winch made by Magal metallifacture (the old AP Driveline) in Lemington Spa.
There engineers are not aware of this problem, no feed back has been received from Land Rover on this issue. Formerly shiny moose
Silver TDV6 S with sat nav, PTI, Mantec, Traxide and Moosed up a bit
member of Club MTR
"I know that you believe that you understood what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you read is not what I meant"
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| Thu Mar 27 2008 12:01am |
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simon
Member Since: 11 Jan 2005
Location: Sitting pensively in front of the mouse trap looking at the cheese
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Recently had a puncture and put the removed wheel in the boot.
Wound up the cable with no wheel and it worked fine.
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| Thu Mar 27 2008 12:11am |
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AVE
Member Since: 13 Nov 2006
Location: First house on the left
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I had a puncture last week, got the spare off ok, took wheel to be repaired.
Tried to put spare back today, cable came down about 9" when I felt it starting to jam. Had to get one of the guys from work to pull on cable whilst I unwound it. Got the job done, but it'd be impossible if you were on your own. As you slide down the banister of life
may no splinters point your way
Disco 3 TDV6 HSE
Freelander2 SE
Ford KA (Miss KA's)
Previous car: Disco 2 V8
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| Tue Apr 08 2008 5:40pm |
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AndrewS
Tarquin of the Desert
Member Since: 06 May 2005
Location: Y...... because I can
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I had the same problem recently. I wound the cable up empty after I got a puncture doing the Easter Weekend. When I wound it back out it then 'seized' CarlS removed the hoist took it apart sorted the 'sprung' cable re-assembled the unit and all is fine. 
It winds up when empty ok its the unwind empty that appears to be the issue. So from now on as AVE said I will get someone to pull on it as I wind it out. In the Beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
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| Tue Apr 08 2008 5:54pm |
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Ken
Member Since: 20 Feb 2006
Location: Playing with the Grey Dogs
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Or get a spare wheel carrier
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| Tue Apr 08 2008 6:41pm |
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AndrewS
Tarquin of the Desert
Member Since: 06 May 2005
Location: Y...... because I can
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Ken wrote:Or get a spare wheel carrier
F that they dent the tail gate  In the Beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
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| Tue Apr 08 2008 6:49pm |
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Ken
Member Since: 20 Feb 2006
Location: Playing with the Grey Dogs
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they dont dent the tailgate the  operator does dont they DG
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| Tue Apr 08 2008 7:19pm |
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CG
Member Since: 13 Nov 2007
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The winch on the D3 is a posh upmarket one apparently with moulded in wire guides, the cheap one Renault and Ford use are plain bobbins Formerly shiny moose
Silver TDV6 S with sat nav, PTI, Mantec, Traxide and Moosed up a bit
member of Club MTR
"I know that you believe that you understood what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you read is not what I meant"
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| Tue Apr 08 2008 9:15pm |
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stewmair
Member Since: 27 Jan 2007
Location: Melbourne
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Mine siezed under these conditions, but not too siezed, as I hung the wheel on the spring on the cable with a pair of clamps, worked the winding nut a bit and it came free. Maybe I was just lucky. Cooper S/Ts, Dynamic 17x8s, Rotronics 3 way battery control, Boab drawers, Polaris camera, Mitch Bros tow, 4x4Intell wheel carrier and cargo barrier, Obie's rear wndow protector, Windcheetah roofrack, Featherlite rooftop tent, Faultmate, Trakmaster Nullabor 17. VK3PR VHF UHF.
Rover 75
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| Wed Jul 22 2009 7:34am |
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zetecr
Member Since: 11 Aug 2006
Location: Sydney
Posts: 56
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Unnecessary quote removed
Same approach worked for me, too. It seemed well stuck at one point, but patient jiggling worked it loose.. Don't give up too early! 
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| Fri Nov 20 2009 8:36am |
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Mac OSX
Member Since: 07 Jun 2007
Location: Barnstaple
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Different type of failure.
Mine would not lift the wheel, but would support wheel.
Suspect winder clutch failed.
Replacement unit 75 UKP, fitting 40 UKP (independent workshop). D3 HSE Diesel Auto 2005 Zambezi Silver.
Citroen XM Turbo CT Auto VSX 1996 Mauritius Blue.
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| Thu Apr 01 2010 8:44pm |
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AVE
Member Since: 13 Nov 2006
Location: First house on the left
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Only paid about £40 quid ISTR from The Large One and replaced it myself... only about 5 bolts and if I can do it anyone can! As you slide down the banister of life
may no splinters point your way
Disco 3 TDV6 HSE
Freelander2 SE
Ford KA (Miss KA's)
Previous car: Disco 2 V8
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