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Hi, I thought most of the D3 failures were spun bearings and the D4's were snapped cranks?
I must admit I didn't strip my D3 down as it had put a con rod through the block so I didn't waste any time on it.
My D3 did 230k on the first engine and I've now done 40k on the second hand engine which had done 60k before I bought it.
I always change the oil and filter in between the main services as it is only cheap and quick to do.
I've just changed the oil on my D4 at 8k which was nice and easy with an oil extraction pump.
It is a worry as they are not cheap to fix and they don't give any signs that they are about to fail.
I don't have a warranty on my old D3 but I will keep one on the D4 when the manufacturers warranty expires.D4 2016 Landmark, Waitomo Grey.
D3 2005 HSE, Bonatti Grey, now sold but still comes back for servicing.
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14th Dec 2016 6:52 pm
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
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OK, lets have a think about my D4. I'll prob do ~8k a year in her, do I seriously need to do an oil change at 4k/6 months?
PS Is there an age where engines built after a certain date don't have a modified twiglet as a crank?
14th Dec 2016 6:58 pm
adam
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I would - lots of short journeys?
14th Dec 2016 7:01 pm
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
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Actually not, a few short journeys a week (to gym & back 3 times a week) when down south but mostly long hauls up & down from the Heelands to Surrey.
14th Dec 2016 7:03 pm
adam
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Up to you Sir - I know I would / do - maybe means nothing, but makes me feel a teeny bit better for a very short while
But this is a depressing thread
14th Dec 2016 7:21 pm
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
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Hopefully there is a cut off for this where it was recognised there is a problem and Ford & JLR got off their collective ar$es and fixed it. Otherwise we are looking forward to hearing about D5 TDV6 lumps going bang in a few years.
14th Dec 2016 7:25 pm
Gareth Site Moderator
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The question to ask is: Has anyone suffered a spun bearing or a snapped crank, who had taken extra steps and changed their oil more regularly than specified by Land Rover?
I'm not sure if the 3.0 cranks that are snapping are a result of spun bearings? I doubt LR would be letting information like that out in public.
It's a worry, and it means my D4 is warranted as a necessity of ownership.
Puts me off a D5 if I'm honest.
14th Dec 2016 7:28 pm
Gareth Site Moderator
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DSL wrote:
Hopefully there is a cut off for this where it was recognised there is a problem and Ford & JLR got off their collective ar$es and fixed it. Otherwise we are looking forward to hearing about D5 TDV6 lumps going bang in a few years.
I know of one 14 plate D4 that went bang with a snapped crank, in 2015. 1 year old!
14th Dec 2016 7:30 pm
Disco_Mikey
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Try the other forums, and read about the 3.0 L405/494 snapping cranks, both 15 + 16MY's
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To be fair the African cars seem to have a much higher failure rate than elsewhere.
Could it be poor quality oil and the fact that LR in Africa recommend 25k km service intervals, whereas elsewhere it is half that? Even then, I've read posts on 4x4community.co.za made by people whose cars have not suffered engine failure, who are still clearly not using the correct oil. Recipe for disaster with these engines.2008 RRS TDV6 - Chawton White/Black/Lined Oak - 20's, h/k, sunroof - 350K KM.
2010 Audi A6 3.0T S-Line - Phamtom Black/exclusive 2-tone valcona 184K
2000 Audi A4 avant 1.8t Q Sport - Phantom Black/black 385K KM
1990 Nissan Pintara TRX - red - lots of mods - 439K KM
14th Dec 2016 11:33 pm
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Gareth wrote:
The question to ask is: Has anyone suffered a spun bearing or a snapped crank, who had taken extra steps and changed their oil more regularly than specified by Land Rover?
I'm not sure if the 3.0 cranks that are snapping are a result of spun bearings? I doubt LR would be letting information like that out in public.
It's a worry, and it means my D4 is warranted as a necessity of ownership.
Puts me off a D5 if I'm honest.
I can answer both
My old D3 which I had from 8 months old 55my I serviced every 6months regardless I only averaged 10k yearly and LR done there service and when it was 4-5years old with 50kish on it spun its shells.
And I'm just repairing a D4 with a snapped crank and it is literally that a snapped crank the shells are fine from what I can see which is a bit worrying,now is it because of the extra hp there giving the D4 nearly 60 more or is it an issue with the oil drilling in the crank at the point it snaps it seems a very big port very close to the cranks machined face on that mains journal going through to the rod journal
Guess we will never find out
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15th Dec 2016 12:07 am
Gareth Site Moderator
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Keep the bits as a souvenir! We may find a friendly mattalurgist who can take a look?
15th Dec 2016 12:19 am
woody32 Site Sponsor
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LR are not that stupid they need the old one back when you buy a new unit probably for that reason its no good for anything as the blocks stretched from front to back to the point it was splitting the oil pump apart Wanted D4s non runners pm for competitive price.
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15th Dec 2016 12:41 am
DG Site Moderator
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The whole crank thing won't be resolved under Ford production ...they just aren't interested...OK it has been mitigated to an extent for the 3.0 but it is still a risk. Only going to be resolved if JLR buy the full rights ...redesign to resolve and then start pumping them out of i5421 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
15th Dec 2016 12:55 am
A.J.M
Member Since: 31 Oct 2009
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Would there not come a point when you can say "if it was going to do it, it would have done it by now"
My D3 is now about to celebrate its 12th birthday, just over 156k on the clock.
Gets an AF full service kit every year. Correct Castrol oil in it and such.
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