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Indeed so. Indeed, "Great Britain" as it is seen by a certain "patriotic" sector of our society, was built on the backs of slaves and the revenue from stolen lands. Much of what we enjoy today is the result of that so there is "blood" on all our hands in that regard.Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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23rd May 2018 3:01 pm
LT
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DG
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By conquest ...or just taken. ...isn't it called 'ill gotten gains'
The gaff is bought and paid for btw...not taken, nor acquired
It may well be "bought and paid for", but how was the land that "The Gaff" is built on originally acquired?
Once upon a time it wouldn't have belonged to anyone and someone would have simply helped themselves to it, then perhaps it was claimed by winning a fight or a battle with those who were settled on it or working it. I suppose your term "ill gotten gains" would be applicable, no?. Whatever the history, the facts remain that originally the land belonged to nobody and there was no initial acquisition cost, other than perhaps loss of life or injury.
The owners of most privately owned homes will contribute to the "Public Purse" by payment Council Tax and various taxes that may be applicable when the houses are bought and sold. Whilst I can only speak for myself, I don't offer public "access" to my house and garden.
In contrast, George III gave over what had been Royal owned land, estates and properties, to the Crown Estate. link: https://www.thecrownestate.co.uk/2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
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23rd May 2018 3:40 pm
LT
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LT wrote:
DG wrote:
All I seek is equal opportunity ..some will choose to take it ...others won't. The Royals historically chose to take a lot more for themselves
I see, so if we didn't have a Royal Family in the UK you think that equal opportunities in the UK would be improved. Interesting, what work/jobs opportunities are the Royals denying others?
You haven't explained how equal opportunities in the UK would be improved if the Royal Family didn't exist.2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
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23rd May 2018 3:45 pm
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I don't think I ever suggested that they did or didn't ...you raised it and you formed a misplaced inference to any further mention of it.
When you kept whining on about however I did say:
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You referred to equality and in the context of my general view of equality I replied "All I seek is equal opportunity ..some will choose to take it ...others won't" I didn't say that the royals denied others of it... you did ...but I guess of course that if the layman wanted to be royal or hold a hereditary title he couldn't ...he is denied of it....so in a way there's your answer.
Not sure what else you want me to say?
23rd May 2018 7:41 pm
DG Site Moderator
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LT wrote:
It may well be "bought and paid for", but how was the land that "The Gaff" is built on originally acquired?
Well quite ...I mean... first the earth cooled and then the dinosaurs came ...so maybe it ultimately belongs to them.
23rd May 2018 7:46 pm
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Lots and lots and lots between the earth cooling and the dinosaurs, maybe they have a claim. Or maybe not as the rock the Gaff is sat on didn’t exist until the Palaeogene, 48 - 56 MY ago.
23rd May 2018 8:06 pm
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......and to lighten the mood further
23rd May 2018 9:17 pm
LT
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DG wrote:
I don't think I ever suggested that they did or didn't ...you raised it and you formed a misplaced inference to any further mention of it.
When you kept whining on about however I did say:
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You referred to equality and in the context of my general view of equality I replied "All I seek is equal opportunity ..some will choose to take it ...others won't" I didn't say that the royals denied others of it... you did ...but I guess of course that if the layman wanted to be royal or hold a hereditary title he couldn't ...he is denied of it....so in a way there's your answer.
Not sure what else you want me to say?
No whining from me DG, I’m just trying to understand your opinions. I actually think there are many positive benefits to the UK as a result of Harry’s wedding.
Did I say or imply that the royals denied others of equal opportunities? I think that was your implication.
Thanks for the answer. A layman not being able to be a royal or hold an heriditary title, as a source of inequality in the UK. That’s a good one! Although not entirely accurate, as proved last Saturday. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
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24th May 2018 10:27 am
LT
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DG wrote:
LT wrote:
It may well be "bought and paid for", but how was the land that "The Gaff" is built on originally acquired?
Well quite ...I mean... first the earth cooled and then the dinosaurs came ...so maybe it ultimately belongs to them.
La propriété, c'est le vol !
As home owners, you and I are no less guilty.2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
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24th May 2018 10:32 am
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Ah french ...didn't they have a revolution once? ...the true guilty were swiftly dealt with
24th May 2018 11:51 am
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I guessed you'd be familiar with Proudhon. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
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24th May 2018 1:12 pm
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No, I'm familiar with french I've heard of him..but the wrong strand of philosophy for for me tbh ... I prefer Metaphysics
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