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Rai
Member Since: 29 Apr 2009
Location: Istanbul
Posts: 9
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| Discovery 4 or 2011 Volkswagen Touareg ? |
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Hello All,
Starting with a disclaimer - I have nothing to do with VW, and while considering an LR4 purchase (  long long time of thinking, trying to get the finances right) I came across this new Touareg announcement.
Furthermore, I know posting this question on this forum might give me some biased answers, but I just wanted to hear your thoughts on the Discovery 4 3.0 TDV6 vs the 2011 Touareg 3 liter diesel comparison. What do you think are the pluses and minuses of both ? It might seem an early question as the specs of the Touareg are just out and of course no one but the ones who have been to the Geneva and NY Auto show have seen the car in real life.
Let me address one issue for starters: I believe it is only fair to compare the Touareg that has the Terrain Pack option, with the Discovery 4. In order to do away with 200kg of the Touareg, VW have taken some bits and pieces off, one of which is the full-terrain differential system. I believe the 8-speed auto gear of the new Touareg in that case falls to 6 with the terrain pack, but I might be mistaken.
And here are two links for the new Touareg:
http://www.netcarshow.com/volkswagen/2011-touareg/
http://www.volkswagen.de/vwcms/master_publ...uareg.html (yes it's the german site but is the only place with the full configurator whereby you can see all options and pricing, not up on the UK site as of today.)
Many thanks for your ideas and comments.
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oddboy
Member Since: 29 Oct 2009
Location: norfolk
Posts: 472
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still fugly  Richard
club none owner
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| Tue Apr 13 2010 6:16pm |
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disco_steve
Member Since: 25 Aug 2009
Location: Are you sure this is the M5 ?
Posts: 872
  
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NO contest in my opinion - has to be the D4 
I'm not saying it is better (or worse) that the VW, but it's BRITISH (well, built at least) and we have far too much going out of this country as it is, so . . . old chap, spend your hard earned £'s on what is essentially a great BRITISH product, and drive with pride, knowing you have helped keep those Solihul boys busy for another day at least.
I also (joking aside) think that the LR D4 is a superb vehicle, and will knock spots off the VW especially off road, and it has LOADS more street credability as well
Oh, and if you do buy the the VW . . . . get off this site - BYE (nothing personal of course) Never get mad - get even !!
previous vehicles:
04 D2 TD5 - (clocked 189k from new)
52 X-Trail 2.2 SVE
various euro boxes !
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| Tue Apr 13 2010 6:27pm |
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mepore
Member Since: 30 Mar 2006
Location: Sheffield
Posts: 10
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Book yourself in for the Land Rover experience at the home of the legend. See the D4 being built in the morning and try it out in the afternoon - then decide. Your local dealer might even pay if you ask nicely.
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| Tue Apr 13 2010 6:32pm |
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mepore
Member Since: 30 Mar 2006
Location: Sheffield
Posts: 10
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Ooops is Turkey a suburb of Birmingham?
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| Tue Apr 13 2010 6:33pm |
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DSL
Member Since: 11 May 2006
Location: Not here ^^^^ :(
Posts: 22674
 
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If you want reliability go for VW, if you want ability but potential for problems go for LR. One of my D3s is up for renewal in 12 months and it's not automatically going to be a LR product. I've had too many problems with mine, both major and stupid. If LR screwed the things together properly they'd have my business for life but they don't! Can maybe be ar$ed a bit.
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| Tue Apr 13 2010 7:15pm |
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PaulP
Member Since: 04 May 2007
Location: Barcelona
Posts: 4302
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I actually think that the Touareg is a bloody good car....on the road it's excellent and the 3.0 V6 engine is great....
And as much as I hate to say it without sounding like a forum fanboy, the Touareg simply isn't special in any way......it's very good, but lacks personality and presence......off-road it used to be pretty good (better than most would think), but I have a feeling from the looks of it that off-road performance is the least of VW's concerns with this newer model.
Don't listen to DSL - he's just upset because his repair bills are double that of most D3 owners  
Try both and I think that whilst your head is telling you to buy the Touareg, your heart will already be signing the order form for a D4......
I've been reading D3/4, 4x4 and other automotive forums for years and I still don't rate the Disco as being much more unreliable than the rest 2006 Discovery 3 TDV6 SE Auto Buckingham Blue
2007 Golf GT DSG
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| Tue Apr 13 2010 7:34pm |
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Ken
Member Since: 20 Feb 2006
Location: Playing with the Grey Dogs
Posts: 8874
 
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Tis an easy answer Toerag caus if you ainr sure your not worthy to own a LR 
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| Tue Apr 13 2010 7:37pm |
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DSL
Member Since: 11 May 2006
Location: Not here ^^^^ :(
Posts: 22674
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Paul, just double??? Wish they were that low!!! Just cost me (well Tesco if truth be known) £1500 and 2weeks to get it through it's 2nd MOT. 
Just ignore me, I'm just bitter and twisted and got to used to 4 year old cars not failing MOTs and spending weeks at a time in the garage!  Can maybe be ar$ed a bit.
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| Tue Apr 13 2010 7:41pm |
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addicted to nurburgring
Member Since: 30 Sep 2009
Location: Yorkshire
Posts: 95
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I would have thought the RRS is a better comparison to the Toerag.
IMHO the D4 strengths over the VW:
7 Seats
Split Rear Tail gate
Much more practical
more equipment as standard
better off road capability
4 x 4 brand image
VW Strengths
better image in terms of reliability but they have their fair share of horror stories. For the record, my D3 has been faultless
Possibly better fuel consumption Current:
D4 HSE 3.0 TDV6 Auto
Stornoway Grey with Ebony - 20" Wheels - Heated Steering Wheel - Adaptive Lights - Full Size Spare - Privacy Glass - Side Tubes
Porsche 996 C4S
BMW E38 740I Sport
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| Tue Apr 13 2010 9:24pm |
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dick dastardly
Member Since: 29 May 2007
Location: wiggleigh bottom
Posts: 1090
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you get much more space in the d4, qudos and real ability. some bolt on bits (egr, turbo, epb, air compressor) are, maybe were, lacking in quality, otherwise no contest. vws dont have the enthusiast following There's one wheel on my wagon, but i'm still rollin' along, it's the cherokee, they're after me, but I'm singing a happy song
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| Tue Apr 13 2010 10:05pm |
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carpenpa
Member Since: 11 Mar 2010
Location: Cornwall
Posts: 19
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We sold a reliable Freelander 1 to buy a new VW Touran. After 6 weeks the VW died due to the DPF getting clogged up (apparently a well recognised problem - but not well enough publicised). Left the partner stranded with 2 kids and late for an appointment. The response from the VW recovery service was "do you have your credit card with you? no, oh well you will need to get a taxi home to pick it up, then get another taxi to take you to a car hire agent, pay for car hire and when your vehicle is fixed we will refund you - for the car hire but not the taxis. In the meantime we will send the AA to recover your car". Apparently the DPF clogging up was our fault because once a week you should take it for a burn up the dual carriageway for 40 mins to allow it to regenerate - funny, but that wasn't mentioned in the handbook.
Said VW was returned to the dealers and we lost 7K on it - couldn't be bothered with legal hassle - and couldn't wait for delivery of new Freelander 2 - which has been totally reliable over last 2 years and 30K miles except for a connector coming loose on passenger door mechanism.
From our experience, all cars can have their problems, but none of our LR have been particularly unreliable, but the customer service has always put VW to shame.  Thoroughly enjoying my landrovers in the southwest.
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| Tue Apr 13 2010 10:21pm |
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Zermatt Vulgaris
Member Since: 12 Jan 2009
Location: aberdeenshire
Posts: 508
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think the new VW is coming in seven seats....
if there is going to be no disco 5 only a RRS 7 the VW might have to be my next car .... you can only buy a disco if LR are making them..
I'm with DSL here my D3 went on its holidays for 3 weeks to the dealer in the middle of the hardest winter in twenty years in scotland... due to the efforts of the local dealer we got hold of a replacment 4x4 ...Land Rover assistance were useless on this point.
If the same thing happens next winter the Landcruiser and VW dealers are going to be visited.... perhaps not as good as the D4 as an allrounder ... certainly no where near as able offroad ... but perhaps more reliable.
I've always loved Land rovers but not when days that should have been sent ski-ing; hill walking etc are spent sorting out hire cars and replacement vehicles. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2011MY Zermatt Silver Range Rover Sport HSE 3.0 TDV6
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| Tue Apr 13 2010 10:23pm |
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ad15
Member Since: 14 Dec 2008
Location: up that tree
Posts: 4852
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treg is a very good car, it's had a 3.0 V6 way longer than LR, in fact, LR had to wait for jag to supply it...
if you need 7 seats the d4 is the way to go,if you need to go offroad (properly) then a d4 is the way to go, although the treg is good offroad..
if you want a car that handles as well as a porsche goes as well as a porsche, is way cheaper than a porsche, but has the same engine, chassis, gearbox as a porsche, oh and is far better looking than a porsche then get a treg....
or you could buy british... one wife.......livid
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| Tue Apr 13 2010 10:42pm |
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DaveT
Member Since: 01 Aug 2005
Location: Cornwall
Posts: 1566
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VW Said:
"...Equipped like this, the Volkswagen Touareg can conquer any terrain on Earth..."
That surely settles it then D3 number 3: 08 TDV6 SE Stormygrey /owlpacker
One of them new Freelander things with a 'posh' name
SIII Lightweight - neglected & rusting. Bulkhead now disintegrated - Next years project!
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