I'm still very annoyed!Loving the power of the TDV8!
14th Oct 2006 6:35 pm
DiscoStu
Member Since: 09 Apr 2006
Location: London
Posts: 11412
I'm not suprised - you spend all that money for a 'Range Rover' and end up with that D3 wanabe with a crinkly bottom! Disco 5 HSE Lux
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14th Oct 2006 7:01 pm
Gareth Site Moderator
Member Since: 07 Dec 2004
Location: Bramhall
Posts: 26710
Allow them in. As said before, on a non commercial basis.
If it wasn't for dealers putting non commercial posts on this site I would not have ended up with the D3 - not sure whether that's good or bad! Loving the power of the TDV8!
14th Oct 2006 7:10 pm
LR Dealer
Member Since: 13 Oct 2006
Location: Kent
Posts: 41
al cope wrote:
My only reservation would be that a lot of us have posted on things we have had done to our D3's, some due to problems, some due to changes we wish to have. How long before a problem occurs with one of our cars, and the dealer involved says "ah, but I know you've modified it - so warrenty invalid" or " Ah but you've had this issue being looked at with X dealer before" from posts he's seen on here, and doesnt want to get involved.
Al
I hate to burst any bubbles, but it is normally fairly evident when a modification has been made, however subtle you might think it is. Either the diagnostics will see it, or the technician will...
And before the flood gates open with examples of dealers who missed the extra turbo/chip/widget/thiny-ma-bob I am speaking in general terms. there have to be exceptions, it is how to prove a rule!
DSL - RRSport gets load of commercial posts, more than you see - most are deleted fairly quickly. Basically I have too much time on my hands so watch out commercial posters!Loving the power of the TDV8!
14th Oct 2006 7:25 pm
10forcash
Member Since: 09 Jun 2005
Location: Ubique
Posts: 16534
OK, let's say that there was an overwhelming majority not in favour of dealer participation... how do you make them go away? simple, you can't - OK they'd have to re-register, move IP addresses etc. But what's next? owners of Gold D3's? those who don't 'use as intended'? those who have an opinion different to the majority? those who persistently post cr@p? Sorry, it can't be done otherwise Disco3 would end up with a membership on none
Accept every new (and not so new) member for what they contribute, regardless of their occupation, gender, location or opinion. Yer, there's always going to be trolls, tw@ts, spammers, bullsh*ters and feckwits but variety is the spice of life and TBH it'd be a bit boring without (most) of them. IMO other than posts that break the site rules, there's no place for censorship here (christ, theres enough of it about in b'Liars nanny state anyway ) and it would be a sad day that Martin & the daleks moderators began caving in to those who complained the loudest....
14th Oct 2006 7:42 pm
oliver77
Member Since: 23 Jun 2006
Location: Mid Wales
Posts: 398
A large number of posts on here are people seeking answers that their dealers can't or wont give them. If many of the dealers were better than they are there woulnd't be half as many post on here.
I think if a dealer is prepared to support the site then they should be allowed to advertise themselves but not to pop up at every opportunity saying things like 'here and waiting' 'give us a call' 'we're better than that' we all know that dealers are good when they're trying to sell something, lets see a dealer who will allow one of their technicians to spend an hour a week giving advice to people on tech issues and in return many members would give them at least the chance to quote when they change their car.
Just my thoughts so please don't all go off on one!
14th Oct 2006 7:50 pm
Martin Site Admin and Owner
Member Since: 06 Nov 2004
Location: Hook Norton
Posts: 18464
Oliver, sounds perfectly reasonable to me 06 D3 SE / 15 LR D90 XS SW / 88 LR 90 Td5 / 68 BMW 2000 ti
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14th Oct 2006 7:53 pm
dylansdad
Member Since: 04 Apr 2006
Location: Solihull
Posts: 745
Martin wrote:
For instance, if a dealer group decides, as a company, not to participate in the forum but one of their members of staff wants to contribute as an individual then they may not wish to disclose that they work for that dealer.
Thats something I can understand and would NOT advocate people declaring exactly what dealer etc. just what part of the supply chain they work in. Anonymity is something to be respected.
IMHO we are both saying similar things in that its great that knowledgeable members are here, I like many have benefited from the advice here and this site is a fantastic example of what can be achieved. I do however feel it would be a bonus for members to have to declare their position as an owner and/or dealer and/or LR employee. It would certainly get round all the issues you mention about posting subversively if a culture of openness was encouraged as opposed to trying to encourage people to hide behind 'personal' involvement, and leaving questions as to motives in certain situations. I would suggest for Moderating it would also make life a little easier.
please encourage dealer involvement, just need it to be clear who they are so members can consider that.
I know its possible dealers could be unscrupulous and pretend they are people they are not, but this is where the trust should come in ...trust them to be open and honest, not force them to pretend to be members. For those new to the forum or just browsing without joining surely its best that this info is obvious, they will not be as upto speed on who's who.
PS you could use this as a foundation for a registered dealer status... ie. if they pay a fee for sponsorship they would be alowed to advertise in a certain area of the forum and when they post have some special avatar/recognition of their support for the DISCO3 community. 2004 TDV6 HSE Auto Zambezi Silver
14th Oct 2006 8:32 pm
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
Member Since: 11 May 2006
Location: Off again! :-)
Posts: 72806
Very Annoyed wrote:
I'm still very annoyed!
Good to hear!
PS
Very Annoyed wrote:
DSL - RRSport gets load of commercial posts, more than you see - most are deleted fairly quickly. Basically I have too much time on my hands so watch out commercial posters!
VA, was only making a flippant remark to point out that D3.co.uk was not the only area or interest for some new "dealer posters", nothing more. I was not suggesting that you did, did not, should or should not be culling their posts. Apologies if offended.
Derek
14th Oct 2006 8:52 pm
10forcash
Member Since: 09 Jun 2005
Location: Ubique
Posts: 16534
So dealers should be open and honest about who and where they are?
Absolute horseshit! The rest of us get to project whatever persona we wish to create, injected with as much truth as we feel comfortable releasing into the wild why shouldn't this apply to anyone who happens to be employed by LR or it's dealers and suppliers?
Part of the reason there is so much technical information, informed debate and quality input is purely down to the fact than no-one has to divulge information about themselves, employer or background....
FFS, why dont you suggest they have a virtual bell around their neck or are tarred and feathered - that should work...
not to pop up at every opportunity saying things like 'here and waiting' 'give us a call' 'we're better than that'
As the instigator of this discussion, I think I should clarify my thoughts in light of this new topic / poll.
I never suggested preventing dealers from being involved in the site. For this reason alone, my answer to the poll will be obvious. My suggestion was that they should not be permited to call themselves 'LR Dealer' etc, as this, by its very nature, invites business interests to come before ordinary site involvement. Simillarly, posts which are suggesting "I could answer but it would be against the commercial posting rules" only serve to pi$$-off the majority of members who are here for non-commercial purposes.
I want you here, I just don't want to know your status in the professional car selling world. For all you know, I am the MD of PAG. If my site name was "PAG-MD" then I would suggest that questions directed at me and answers expected of me would be very different to those when I'm "JMC". THIS demonstrates my arguement.
If you want to be here for profesional reasons, then (in common with other forums I know), lets have a dealer section where people can go and not be surprised by the covert commercialism.
If you want to be here as a genuine owner and moaner - I would prefer you called yourself something else. That's my preference and it has nothing to do with the owner of the site or the other members. However, who the hell am I to lay down rules? Besides, as the MD of PAG, I can get at you in other ways.... 8)
14th Oct 2006 9:47 pm
Tonyrec
Member Since: 01 Jan 2005
Location: Hertfordshire,UK
Posts: 263
Im voting yes.
It can only be good for the site to have some 'insider' knowledge on an enthusiast level.
On reading this thread, my comments were going to be very similar to Oliver's.
Of course there is sales & technical staff from a dealer and probably one would be more welcome that the other. However, I think that any open dealer input should be welcomed as I can see this can only benefit the forum and the users.
Much of this site's content is users looking for technical info and fixes for problems with their cars. Any dealer input would be a great help.
A dealer that could provide technical input and showed an active interest in fixing users problems, would possibly get my business when I next changed my vehicle. Chris from TurboChip springs to mind here.
While on this subject (or maybe another thread)...
I would be happy to see more commercial content on the site, in the form of advertising, offers etc. I also wouldn't mind seeing non LR related advertising, if Martin wanted to earn affiliate commissions to help with the site running costs. Most other websites have it. You can then either choose to ignore it, or click on it. It shouldn't get in the way of the real content. I wanted to buy a domain name or a holiday for example, then I would click on it here, in the knowledge that I was supporting the site in a small way.Matt
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) and it would be a sad day that Martin & the 
If my site name was "PAG-MD" then I would suggest that questions directed at me and answers expected of me would be very different to those when I'm "JMC". THIS demonstrates my arguement.
